Cutting is so much harder thank bulking its a whole different thing.
Maintaining a productive work and social life while your body is screaming for you to stuff your face is the strongest test of my will i've ever experienced.
I'm 157lbs/70kg with a lean physique aiming to get shredded. Doing 1300 Kcal with 2gs of protein per Kg. Been at this cut for almost a week. Carbs from fruits. Gym 5 times per week
Does it get worse or better with time?
It gets better when you see the results
have you tried adderall?
>eating carbs
Found your problem. You carbcucks can't do hard dry fasts because you're not fat adapted.
Also
>cutting at 70kg
lol manlet
mmm coffee and cigarettes
1300 seems pretty low. I'm 80kg and I cut with 2200 calories
Hope so
How does that help?
6'0 so hardly seething
No
Enduring discomfort is the very essence of self discipline. If you cannot handle mild hunger for a few days while your body adjusts to longer fasting periods then you are too weak to meet any goals in life.
Bro, use a calculator and find out how many calories you need to cut. 1300 is starvation tier if you're going Jim 5 days a week
>How does that help?
ADHD medications suppress appetite and basically make it so that you don't even feel hunger. I've been taking strattera for years because it's not an actual stimulant like adderall. Downside is that once you go off them, you will gain the weight back.
Why would you cut at only 70kg then if you're 183cm?
At 72kg 188cm I'm a fucking scrawny spaghetti skellington, can't imagine you're much thicker; or anywhere near in the need of a cut for that matter.
Miss me with that god awful side effect. Don't need drug dependence in my life
To get shredded, as I said. I do agree I'd benefit more from bulking overall, but is it a crime to do cutting a little earlier?
Agreed. Still painful.
Thing is i never got a reliable source that told me how much 1/2 hours of strength training burns each time. So i don't have an accurate idea of what my actual calorie burn is. So I go for 2100 and work from there.
>is it a crime to do cutting a little earlier?
You're robbing yourself of gainz, if that's not a crime I don't know what is.
But it's not like you'll lose much so do what you must yeah.
If you want to lose weight then there are two ways for you right now:
I) Stop activating the Randle cycle by either doing low fat (Stan Efferding's vertical diet) or low carb (keto or even carnivore). Doesn't matter too much which one you pick nutritionally if it's short term.
The only problem is that if you don't switch your macros slowly over the course of 6 weeks you'll very likely fuck your gut microbiome.
II) Do a fast. Since you're not fat adapted you'll have to drink water; or better yet snake juice. Yes I know, woowoo sounding name but it's just water + some electrolytes you can cheaply and easily acquire, and it'll spare you muscle cramps.
Fasting also upregulates your HGH and stem cells. You can still work out fasted.
If you go longer than 2 days then your immune system will be weakened from day 3 until 2 days after you re-feed, and re-feeding becomes a bit more troublesome.
So you can just do 2 days of fast and 3 days of refeeding, rince and repeat. This is dumbass proof unless you've got some rare genetic bullshit going on.
One thing though, whether you calorie restrict (dumbshit method that doesn't work because CICO is pseudoscience) or fast, it WILL put a strain on your thyroid, so don't do it for too long. If your arms and legs feel abnormally cold all the time, it's a sign your thyroid function is weakened.
You could do more esoteric shit in addition like spending time naked when it's cold to force more calories out of your body, but that's schizo tier minmaxing.
I heavily recommend you go with fasting with snake juice (2L of water, 1tsp KCl, 1tsp NaCl for the simple recipe, make sure the KCl is food grade) and start with alternate day fasting (1 day fasting, 1 day eating, rince repeat), see how you feel. Eat normal sized meal between the fasts.
You make a detailed case for fasting, but I don't see how you can hope to maintain muscle mass if 2 days per week you eat nothing at all.
What do you eat in a day?
What are the implications of doing 8 weeks of a a deficit of 0 calories? Not fasting, but after factoring my 140k steps a week, and (if I even manage I doubt it) 6, 14 miles bike rides. At a 1100 calorie intake I am essentially eating 0 calories a day. All the calories are from protein btw and I'm taking vitamins... My fatigue will be through the fucking rough I know, also I've felt what it's like to have 0 to no fats, this is just a theory, well sorta, the deficit and 140k aren't, the bike rides are.
Not OP just a random faggot
I'm also going to use the ECA stack when needed, so probably after 2 weeks I'll start half, and up to full whenever necessary. Trying it out with my bike ride (ik ik) to see if it's possible
Better for a while, then worse
I’m on my 5th month of a cut and even though the deficit is much less now (200 cal at most) I’m super hungry all of the time
Sometimes I can’t resist but I have enough leeway to eat at maintenance
On weekends I do OMAD so I can stuff my face and I can easily get 2000+ in a single meal
I’m 144lb
Your body will prioritize burning stored fat and will only use your muscle proteins for gluconeogenesis as a last resort. Your muscle loss will be minimal, especially compared to doing the CICO bullshit.
Humans went through bouts of fasts frequently over the millenia and our metabolism evolved to accomodate that. Of course if you're fat adapted it's going to be way smoother and faster (don't get me wrong, it still sucks)
In the end, how the body responds depends from person to person so you should check the fasting general, they get most of it right most of the time anyway. A good place to ask questions if you're having problems or reservations.
Or you do the stupid CICO pseudoscience shit at 1000Kcal deficit or more, up to you.
Your metabolism slows down if you eat under your TDEE, which is why you need to go at a ~1000Kcal deficit to see any change to begin with.
>All the calories are from protein btw
Proteins are extremely inefficient when it comes to providing energy to your body (which is one of the big reasons why the CICO model is incomplete and therefore wrong). Whatever calculation's you've made, they're wrong. And steady state exercise (aka "cardio" to smoothbrains) is also bad for your health.
>and I'm taking vitamins
lol, lmao even.
>I'm also going to use the ECA stack
Dude, you're beyond saving, just do whatever stupid shit you want.
Chicken Breast, Whey, and fruits like Papaya. Plus vitamin supplements
>cardio is bad for health
I'm not using the protein for energy, it's to minimize muscle loss. Also no shit yeah your body stops using functions that are unnecessary to live, which is why you naturally are more lethargic and sluggish on a cut, or if drastic enough, have no sex drive. I'm taking the EC stack for appetite suppression and a boost of energy because well, I'm not fucking eating enough. Which is what the question stemmed from. If I really wanted I could just eat 2200 cals and be in a 1k deficit, but I don't want that do I? Also 2200 is overestimating how low I need to be, realistically it may even be 2500.