Excelsior

>found to contain 3-FMA
>literal meth
>FDA on their back
>moved their production out of the US
>New batches are shit-tier
>mfw I have 8 tubs of the good stuff

Imagine not taking meth before a workout

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uh, have fun with that
btw an emergency room doctor told me that cases of young men dying during weightlifting have absolutely skyrocketed, tens of thousands of percent, due to they believe preworkout.

It's due to tik-tok trends with pre-workout.

Captcha: ADDDY

Funny name for vaccines

>having to resort to drugs
get help

isn't this just typically powdered caffeine?

this was before tiktok was a thing

as it turns out it's not a good idea to eat like 600mg caffeine, meth, and then make your blood pressure go up 150 points

i advise against all preworkouts

Gee I wonder if it has to do with the same high stim pre we've been doing forever, or possibly some sketchy new government endorsed mystery chemicals.

yeah its the high stim pre clearly, since i was told this in like 2017

you really think its a good idea to eat stimulants before doing exercises that can naturally make your BP like 350/150?

why would i take fake meth when i can use real meth tho
what's up with that
you'll cowards don't even smoke crack

Most pres do have caffeine in them as the main stimulant, yes. There are even different types of caffeine as well like citrate (fast acting) and di-malate (extended slow release, my favorite in pres). However, there also other stimulants that enhance caffeine's effects like dynamine or theobromine (which is actually a stimulant from chocolate, a bit weaker than caffeine but it gives you a sort of better mood than regular caffeine). Then you have exotic stims like Eria Jarensis (more focus based and not as powerful), DMHA, and DMAA (strongest available stim on the market and has a shaky past usually being removed from the original Jack3d/Mesomorph/etc). These stims are much more powerful than caffeine alone at high doses and can lead to elevated mood, intense energy. It's as close as you can get to legal amphetamines. Excelsior was making rounds about a year ago as being extremely strong and intense and was found to contain hidden stims that OP mentioned and were pulled from sales because of this. Pres like this are usually used by literal junkies that want to catch a buzz or stim heads whose tolerances are so high they need something stronger just to give them that energy they need to get through their lifts.

Is there anywhere to buy this at non-scalped prices? What are some other nuts preworkouts beyond DMAA?

That's nuts. I do find that i like to drink a Celsius before I work out.

Typically most energy drinks hold below 300mgs of caffeine which is safe. 400mg is the daily max for humans.

Oh it's you, while you're here what are some good DMAA tier preworkouts? Going to buy from msp and want to buy something fun

High stim pre workouts fuck your pumps, yea amphetamines are nice but Cialis plus glycerol is God tier. Just drink some coffee.

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feels good to just use adderall and not all these geek supps

dark energy if you can find it

i have excelsior but it’s hardened/clumped/crystallized and i tried blending it back to powder and it didn’t really work at all what do

mortar and pestle

Dark Labs Crack OG if you can find it (they made a reloaded version that has no DMAA, but a huge dose of Eria Jarensis. Heard it was better.) Dark Energy is also another one if you can find it. Not much else bro. Everything else either has DMHA or DMAA substitutes like Geranium. I heard you can even get straight DMAA now. I'd research this stuff before diving into something new.

I only limit myself to 350mg in pres and use them only on weekend lifts, never on weekdays. Glycerol, Nitrosigine, and 8g+ of citrulline always give me the sickest pumps if a pre has it. Stim dick is also a reason why I probably won't use DMAA pres more than maybe once or twice a year. Moderation is key with this stuff, something I wish people understood.

I just take 10mg of 4fma before a workout bought off a research chems site