Personally I think Ukraine is responsible, sadly Dutch government and probably the majority of the Dutch people don't hold this opinion. They were already very quick to blame Russia before any results of any research were out. At least one Ukrainian Su-25 with a 30mm gun was tasked with shooting down the Russian presidential plane which was about 300km removed from the area and looked very much like the MH17 plane.
The SU-25 took off and was on a search flight, and the pilot thought he had spotted the machine from the rear. Then he fired from both sides of the cockpit, after which the cockpit broke off. The machine fell and the impacting wings exploded. Only later did the error become apparent and an attempt was made to completely distort the facts again in the western way. The thesis of a Russian rocket fire in the middle of the plane is irrelevant, since the machine would then have exploded in the air and the location of the coarse fragments would have been different.
What is Any Forums's conclusion to the MH17 disaster, and probably actually happened
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It was a Buk from pro-Russians. Ukraine had no equipment capable of reaching a plane that high.
Don Lemmon thinks its a black hole.......seems legit
Holy shit you're retarded.
Ukraine uses BUKs, and actually deployed many BUKs several days before the incident happened. Paraded that BUK deployment on news as "heros fighting russian aggression"
there was a vid where the unsc said that it couldnt be the buk, bc the holes looked like it was 30mm cannon fire.
i hears rumors that putins plane was in the vicinity and that they mistook putins flight with mh 17 too.
the info seems to have been scrubbed from the internet tho, the subject popped up a couple ow weeks ago and all i could find was the official version of the events.
Americans shot it down to blame it on Russia.
I have 2 versions for this:
Version #1: an Ukrainian BUK shot the plane down by mistake, because Ukraine was retarded enough to leave airspace open over a zone where they themselves deployed their own BUKs.
Version #2: Rebel BUK shot it down by mistake, but the legal implications for this still remain on Ukraine's shoulders, since it didn't close down airspace in a zone where multiple planes got shot down in the past.
Yes, I know Ukraine technically closed low-altitude airspace, but they left civilian airliner altitude airspace open, over a war zone.
>On 24 May 2018, after extensive comparative research, the JIT concluded that the Buk that shot down the flight came from the Russian 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade in Kursk
Nice memeflag GRUboy
Trust me goyim, It was Russia.
>t. CIA
and the drone footage and civillian captured images of the spent BUK launcher being driven back into russian followed all the way from the launch site to russias border with the exact registration of the vehicle that launched the buk that took down the plane?
Ukraine shot it Don, thinking it was Putin's plane, which was supposed to go through that airspace around the same time.
How high can a su25 go
Putin is responsible it and behind it, like he is behind the downing of Lech Kaczynskis plane in 2010
responsible for it*
>Rebel Buk
Lol where did miners learn how to operate such complex equipment
Yup, I saw him personally start up the fog machines in 2010 and pull the trigger on Mh17.
Obvious sarcasm is painfully obvious.
you obviously do not know what you are talking about drunk bastard
UFO did it
Hohols shot it down in order to pull NATO into a large scale war with Russia.
Which is why the russians took advantage.
It wasnt even even over Ukraine held territory.
Nice try, faggots.
But I was responding to the claim that Ukraine doesn't have BUKs.
It has BUKs, and it used them in the warzone during the incident.
The question of whose BUK it was is a different topic altogether.
The "followed BUK" intel mostly relies on OSINT data, and OSINT isn't something I would deem as conclusively reliable.
This is my reason for why I think it's less likely for a Russian BUK to be the cause:
If Russia provided its own BUK to the rebels, this means that BUK would be connected to Russian communications command centers. Russia wouldn't just drop random strategic-level airdefense equipment with no strings attached.
Now the kicker is: Russia has enormous amounts of radars deployed in the Western and Southern districts. The entirety of Eastern European airspace is under right surveillance up till Germany.
For a fully integrated airspace surveillance system to accidentally misidentify a passenger plane and allow its destruction is highly unlikely.
But, we do have a historical precent, from 2001, when Ukraine shot down a civilian airplane over the Black Sea. Mainly due to lack of integrated air-defense logistics.
putin is ultimately responsible for the conditions in which the downing happened
Give a detailed explanation on how they're responsible for it.
>This is my reason for why I think it's less likely for a Russian BUK to be the cause:
nigger i dont give a fuck what you "think"
never heard of osint sounds like a cope but i dont trust you random fat ugly jobless lonely nigger fuck on the internet over pretty much anyone else t b h so why the fuck do you think i give a shit about your "opinion" who the fuck are you? nobody you cunt
>Personally I think Ukraine is responsible,
Nobody on the planet believes that. Russian trolls are paid kopecks to post lies like that here, but even they laugh at how retarded it is.
>Give a detailed explanation on how they're responsible for it
I just gave, putin shtated shit in ukraine and plane was shot down during said shit, he is ultimately responsible
>never heard of osint sounds like a cope
OSINT is "Open Source Intelligence"
What Belingcat and other Twitterastas are using - gathering videos and photos from car dashcams, tiktoks, google maps, flightradar, etc. And presenting this data as "intelligence"
Currently OSINT is the main source of the "Russia will invade" narrative. Even though OSINT can provide a good picture on massive military build-ups... you can't rely on OSINT to surgically pin-point 1 specific movement. It's super easy to misinterpret and even manipulate that data.
this is the black pill
if russian didnt annex a sovereign state for teh first time in over 70 years anybody dared do that shit none of this wouldve happened
That's funny, because I could swear it was Biden/Obama/Nuland who started the shit in Ukraine.
>OSINT is "Open Source Intelligence"
yeah thats a cope
you mean evidence