>inherit culture that is utterly, brutally hostile to variance, horniness, self-determination, attempts to achieve dominance if you're not already dominant, impropriety, risk-taking, and basically everything male
>intensify it
>freak out when men try to leave
What's the long game here?
Interesting take because it is so opposite of what is asserted here. The transmaxxers argue that they transmaxxed because they saw any kind of expectation that they work as "seeing me as a worthless tool". They trooned out so that they can specifically be rich trophy wives sucking dick for food, zero kids and zero chores, living off their looks instead of their abilities. Their main objective is to NEET with reduced social stigma, even though most cis women are not NEETs. They also (validly) point out that men need to put in more effort in terms of the friends they make, in order to receive emotional support (so they transition to get that support more easily, since many of them lack social skills).
Overall, we do greatly prize ambition, self-determination and risk-taking in men, so I dont know why you're arguing it is alpha males who transition, rather than failed-males who transition. The main frustration still faced by an alpha male is that random women are still wary around him sometimes (understandably in certain situation, since almost every rapist and murderer is male) but his horniness remains well sated because he can very easily get women for those purposes using the looks and charisma that he possesses.
Also, the long game is creating perfect capitalistic inputs.
We are in fact intensifying masculinisation in women. We are not glorifying tradfemininity. Modern women are increasingly pushed to be career women juggling both work and children, to be authoritative and have a risk-taking enterpreunerial spirit, to be tough and less "hysterical", etc etc. Even their voices are known to have dropped in recent times because they use a deeper voice to be more respected in the workplace.
At the same time, we dont need these inputs to be distracted by being horny. And we would hate if the original gender assigned to working (men) stop wanting to work, that's considered the worst. That's why there's no support for "weak" men who are not ambitious and who need constant emotional support.
Essentially the end goal is that both sexes become stoic asexual working-machines
lmao it's like someone trained a GPT-3 bot on a corpus of "every possible defense against the idea of female privilege as an actual thing" plus old r/fds posts and cut it loose
It says right there that women can get emotional support more easily. Try refuting the points instead.
Weak men and weak women fare better by being or becoming women in today's society, because the specific niche of trophy wives still exists for women but barely for men. These types are considered inefficient for capitalism however, so even women themselves are nowadays told to choose the "modern career woman lifestyle"
actually this is uncharitable but the first paragraph of is almost unreadably bad
Not every trans woman is a transmaxxer. Most of them are not transmaxxers. I was only talking about that specific type because they show how it isnt "chads" who are transitioning to reap the specific privilege of being coddled and permitted to do nothing. Really it is amabs who are quite the opposite of OP who are doing that.
Yes I am saying that some cis women are coddled and permitted to do nothing. But even this is changing, we are essentially telling both men and women to become ambitious and career-driven, but we are not freeing men from that expectation for obvious economic reasons.
Also OP is lumping way too many things together, this discussion is separate from how society treats sex drive for example
society will insist "(cultural) MASCLINITY IS ALL NATURAL AND PURE AND FROM GOD ITSELF!!!" even thought a good 70% of it was invented purely for war propaganda by kings and presidents and politicians. Literally some of it just in the last century or so, too, just brand new crap invented up on the spot. so much of it is literal horseshit and theyll happily lap it up.
tradfaggots who claim to have "broken the conditioning!' will insist some model of masculinity invented by sociopath war campaigners must be Fact and Science. Retard transphobes who insist all forms of masculinity are eternal and inborn will panic about their gay AGP bottoming thoughts returning when they've only lifted corporate-marketed Metal Manliness Discs 5 times that week instead of 6. Rancid fathers who insist there's no such thing as natural-born trans kids will start screaming that they need to take their son "hunting and fishing and to a strip club too" because he caught sight of him having a limp wrist for .59344 milliseconds.
The current cultural form of Masculinity needs constant brutal cultivation, defending, reinforcing, encouraging, pressuring, and punishing all who stray from it lest it all collapse into faggotry in an instant, while at the same time itself insisting that it's a constant immutable eternal natural in-born fact of All Men and the Universe too. Very little about masculinity is natural, much like femininity, but nobody wants to let go of it because they're so fucking desperate since they have no personality beyond Beer and War.
transmaxxers are just trans people engaging in weird mental gymnastics. If you recognize that transitioning will make your life better and you transition, you're just trans lol
"people are not generally nicer to women" is weird because on paper it's easily defensible but irl just lol
>The transmaxxers argue that they transmaxxed because they saw any kind of expectation that they work as "seeing me as a worthless tool".
strawgirl horseshit. being valued for what you do rather than who you are turns pathological almost instantly because its incentive structure is rancid so they had to make it about doing anything at all
>They trooned out so that they can specifically be rich trophy wives sucking dick for food, zero kids and zero chores, living off their looks instead of their abilities.
belle delphine doesn't exist. also transbians (who may or may not be t4t transbians) don't exist
>Their main objective is to NEET with reduced social stigma
another strawwoman except it doesn't work because that isn't even bad
>so they transition to get that support more easily, since many of them lack social skills
tacit implication switches the moral footing from "people are nicer to one kind of person" to "just stop being a sperg bro". garbage
>failed-males
what is here is dangerous and repulsive to us
props to this for trying to square the misandrisyblogger tone with reality but it doesn't fit
>belle delphine doesnt exist
She does, see In fact transmaxxer rhetoric doesnt fit most of the time, since it insists that every woman should (in her own self interest) be doing what delphine does, yet most women do not. They become unable to square what they personally do with what most cis women are actually doing.
>being valued for what you do rather than who you are
Who you are is based on what you do. Women are also described by how hot they are (takes effort to do), whether they were a good mother or wife, by the skills they achieved in their occupation, etc.
None of this is denial that women get emotional support more easily. But this is the thing- you need a very specific personality to pathologise "being valued for your contributions" into "I'm useless trash", to interpret "selecting for friends that are supportive" into "I am autistic so I cant do it", and so on. None of this is necessarily wrong, but it really requires a specific vulnerable personality who needs people to take the initiative to constantly check up on your mental health. Conversely, there are women who see being openly vulnerable as a weak and disgusting thing to do.
All of this is essentially a refutation of OP. OP said society hates men who are ambitious, self-driven, risk-taking and "basically everything male". But this is not the case. The men who transition because "women get emotional support very easily without being selective of their relationships" are literally the exact opposite of OP's archetype. Which is my main point.
And while people are generally still more willing to give emotional support to women, it is just quite undeniable that society in the past 100 years has been moving to glorify a greater level of masculinity in women. Again, this is just to suggest that we perceive femininity as economically inefficient. Gender gaps still exist, but we are trying to solve it by making women more masculine, rather than letting men be feminine. There is no incentive to capitalistic society to champion that men get to sit at home and do nothing. We are at a stage where even women are told to make something of themselves, but we tolerate the minority of women who dont do that, and of course we dont tolerate the men who desperately wish to do it.
>Women are also described by how hot they are (takes effort to do)
existing is as much a job as mining coal because you generate heat
>you need a very specific personality to pathologise "being valued for your contributions" into "I'm useless trash"
if you are valued for your contributions, you are useless trash, because everything that is not contribution is cost
>to interpret "selecting for friends that are supportive" into "I am autistic so I cant do it"
things aren't expensive, you're just poor
>OP said society hates men who are ambitious, self-driven, risk-taking
this is not what they said except for the last one
Absolutely based post
They did say "basically everything male" and being ambitious is a huge part of that. People with "self-determination, seeking dominance, risk-taking" are the exact opposite of those who see their sex as unplayable because they are expected to work to survive (like what humans did for the vast majority of history, both men and women, even right now in most countries) and because it is harder to make friends who are supportive. Most men stay as men, learn those skills, form said social bonds, value how they contribute, but yes they still speak about the issue of the gendered difficulties they faced nonetheless. People with learned helplessness are opposite of OP's alpha male.
SO funny how every loser man on this website thinks that a cruel terrible cucked anti-male society hates and oppresses him for all of his special little virtues. that's right, baby, you're only a loser because you're just too self-determined to succeed in america :(
And most men dont mine coal anymore. Get off the coal miner suffering-fetishism. Most of them work office jobs. Lots of women also work office jobs, and no transmaxxer can explain why cis women fought for and chose financial independence at all.
Meant for Again, because you have trouble understanding this, women do still get more emotional support. But you are not a coal miner. Most men are not coal miners. You are someone who wants to do nothing but leech off society and be valued for it, and you have learned helplessness because you dismiss any solution to your issues.
Functioning members of society can nonetheless be aware of the specific issues faced by men. Those men are often what OP said (self-determined, risk-taking, masculine, etc), but those are definitely not you. They sought out emotional support, saw the value inherent in propping up society, and nonetheless make the case that in a fair world, it should have been easier.
>Most men stay as men, learn those skills, form said social bonds, value how they contribute,
hence the 360% rate of suicide
would've been funnier if you spelled loser as "looser"
We arent all amerimutts, who coincidentally cannot explain why it is that north european men commit suicide at 200% the rate of women rather than 360%. Yes that still indicates there is work to be done, but clearly their progress so far was still achieved by their men staying as men. And in doing so, those men also become cognizant of how there are both upsides and downsides to the concept of masculinity- e.g. women also need to be held to higher standards too to develop their full potential, and need to learn that self-initiative and drive goes a long way towards solving one's issues before society can change fast enough.
Already it is happening to women- despite the transmaxxer hyperfocus on delphine types, women are increasingly told they should be valuable contributors, and to both work and rear children, a phenomenon increasingly embraced by cis women which those anons cannot explain
god i fucking hate this socialist realism propaganda shit. shut the fuck up
>people with certain (masculine) personality traits kill themselves more
>I dont do what those people do, but I totally have those same masculine personality traits
How hard is it to accept that anti-masculine people are the ones who cant stand masculine expectations to the point that they keep talking about transition? It's a very weird hill to die on, it's even separate from the hill that discusses the details of said masc expectations
>I hate american masculinity (for some valid reasons to be fair)
>American masculinity kills
>but I'm a masculine person, I have "just about everything male", I just hate masculinity though
>No I will not accept other countries' gender dynamics, I dont care if the gender gap in successful suicide there is markedly smaller
>why cant I adopt a hyperfeminine gender role that's even more feminine that what most modern cis women are currently doing, but insist that I am still extremely american-masculine?
It's getting schizo desu
>the only reason you'd object to this game is you suck at it
lmao
no one said this or did this