Does NATO have any chance of victory if Russia starts right now a full scale invasion of all of Europe and North...

Does NATO have any chance of victory if Russia starts right now a full scale invasion of all of Europe and North America togheter?

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nato wouldn't stand a chance if bell delphine invaded europe let alone russia

Russian invasion started 6 months ago and already their military/soldiers are depleted and they NATO still haven't even entered the war.

Russia hasn't got the manpower to do anything other than what they're doing now. And most of the troops already deployed are being abandoned & demoralised. Shitty outdated weapons, generals falling left and right, no real goals except what their insane leader wants as a legacy

This 100% Russia could have been a serious force to be reckoned with if Putin handy stile all the counties wealth for his friends.

If he had properly invested in maintaining and looking after the military properly trained his soldiers and actually let his citizens fully understand his reasonings for going to war he would have been unstoppable. But now the countries an economic shambles and it's military it out dated and poorly trained, the citizens don't understand the reasons for going to war so are demorelised. He's fucked the war before it began. Best he can do is a war of attirion and Ukraine will be like the winter war all over again

why the fuck would he do that?
donbass invasion is about self-determination. donbass wants to be russian, and putin thinks ukraine (as europe, uk, china, and us) wont let it, hence, the minimum force to overcome ukrainian army there: "z".

why the fuck would he want to invade europe and america?

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I think if he does (which is highly unlikely given how shit his army is right now)

It would be because the west is using Ukraine to wage a proxy war against Russia and Putin could very well and rightly so go to war with the west.

He won't because he know he would be utterly crushed. The best he could do is nuke everyone to kingdom come but that's dependent on weather or not he's actually looked after his nukes. If his nukes are anything like the rest of his military then they will likely suffer a lot of malfunctions

I dont think Russia could win if anyone attacked them right now. Hes so short on manpower hes getting north Korean soldiers. Its amusing though to see the absolute concentrated copium the Russian government is now selling, you arent even winning in Ukraine right now, at best its a stalemate. How in the blue hell would you beat NATO? We havent even fired a shot yet and you are getting absolutely nowhere. How long can you keep huffing putins jenk before you die from lack of oxygen?

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Hmmm.
How come we keep hearing / reading about how bad Russia is doing on the one end.
But on the other hand Russia keeps gaining ground?

Someone explain without mentioning fake news

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dont get confused:

he must use proportional and minimum necessary force to overcome ukraine. z.

what we are seeing is minimum force.

He will gain ground but will it will be a heavy losses for low gain bloody gaining if ground

Faggot beneath me makes a good point Putin is trying to use the minimum force necessary. Considering he sees the ukraineins as his own people . I imagine it would be a different story if he really let slip the dogs of war.

But the west's intervention really really isn't going help matters.

He's barely invading Ukraine, all things considered. The absolute top of this dude's game has been destroying random civilian targets in lieu of any meaningful ground gained or any sort of accomplishment justifying being there at all. It's entry-level genocide with no room for advancement. He's wasting time, money, and a thousand other resources on literally nothing and he doesn't have enough left to waste it anywhere else.

Dude had every resource available to just lord over his little shitheap til his well-deserved death, and chose to blow his illusion of strength on this.

What ground has Russia gained? They've lost ground since the first weeks of the invasion. What a fucking embarrassment. Nearly six months and still no air superiority.

he sees *donbass as his own people.

Better question, would Russia stand a chance now if NATO invaded? What would a bunch of kids with ww2 era equipment do against stealth jets engaging at BVR

I would assume any news that would contradict your beliefs you would call fake news?

Otherwise, the generally non-clickbaity reliable media reports of only very minor gains on Russias side, the conflict has largely stalled. Russia is still the larger force, but the defense usually has the upper hand and also the Ukranians are now fielding technologically superior gear, which makes advancing hard for Russia. Russian high command itself probably got caught by surprise by either extreme efficiency of Ukraines defenses or extreme inefficiency of their own troops. Their push for Kyiv was a total waste of men and equipment.

In a conventional war, NATO would curb stomp the Russkies. They made hard work of invading Ukraine, even before the West starting gifting billions in hardware to the Ukrainians. If Russia was even half the force they claimed to be, Ukraine would have been over-run in 1-4 weeks.
Russia will only eventually win by grinding the Ukrainians down with their manpower, maximizing everyone's suffering. The war only continues because Putin committed and now cannot turn back without losing what's left of his credibility. NATO cannot get involved without starting a nuclear war, though it's likely that Putin would be overthrown if he ordered a nuke attack.

>Their push for Kyiv was a total waste of men and equipment.
Yeah true.
Nobody knows Putin's plan. Maybe he wants to make this a 5year war and is taking it slow, bloody and steady.
I don't think he gives a dick about his own troops and uses them as warmeat

kyiv and odessa pushes are only to force a peace on donbass.

i dont think he wants ukraine. just donbass, after recognizing the independence of donetsk and luhansk and accepting them to incorporate to the russian federation.

no what i'd choose, as, if you enter a federation, you can not leave it. it's not a confederation.

will ever putin change that?

again, donbass wants to be russian.

that's why nobody helps ukraine.

just doesnt make sense helping someone be where they dont want to be.

Putin wanted Kiev for a propaganda victory. He just failed is all.

Russian media itself has now confirmed that they will also hold referendums in the currently held territories outside Donbas or Luhansk regions. It's a conquest. Since they're doing it everywhere they currently hold it is safe to assume they would also hold a referendum in Kyiv as well.

Not sure Kyiv push did anything except waste Russian gear and embolden Ukrainians to fight and the West to support them. If they kept the war in Donbas and Luhansk the west would not be so eager to help.

>nobody helps Ukraine

Hahahahaha good one, Boris.

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It’s not mutually exclusive for an army to be destroying itself in loses, while still gaining ground in the short term, the question is; Are Russia able to consolidate their gains and broker a peace deal before the loses cause their army to collapse.
It is clear they can’t take all of Ukraine and Moldova (the original plan) they won’t take Kiev, they can’t take and hold everything East of Kiev, they will probably lose Kherson Oblast in the next month if Ukraine play their cards right but Russia might be able to dig in and hold the Donetsk and Luhansk region until Ukraine run out of money and manpower to fund an offensive against Russian positions, and have to negotiate a peace deal. Putin would still spin the capturing of 2 oblasts as a win, even though it has cost a ludicrous amount of his military, his economy, and embarrassed Russia internationally.