SERIOUSLY Why don't ice guns exist? Hear me out. Bear in mind this would be a close range type weapon. Max range about 300m with cheap components. >Untraceable projectile >Potentially Infinite Ammo >Capable of producing its own ammunition I've been thinking about it and I'll work on a rough design when I find some paper, essentially you could have it be battery powered, have the magazine pressurized and cooled with nitrogen, similar to a freezer The feeding mechanism: the pre-made ice cartridge can be moved up the magazine by a small electrically powered plate on a piston, because the ammunition is frozen and a traditional spring will also freeze. When the ammunition is pushed into the feeding mechanism it will hit a small catch and the bolt will close, the 'bolt' closing will force the frozen projectile into the pre-cooled barrel and grind it into shape. The ice projectile will then sit, ready to be fired. The firing mechanism:a traditional trigger would be fine. I'm unsure if the projectile would best be propelled into motion with compressed air and then passed through a silencer (close range single shot weapon), or even a heavy amount of tension (i.e spring being used to propel the ice projectile) could accomplish this task.
I think Mythbusters did something like this. >What do you think? There's easier ways to off people.
Evan Kelly
No lol think about it >You're a nation where everyone has guns and knives and ropes and fists >Invested heavily into solving these specific crimes >suddenly there's a crime where there is no evidence >Not a single trace >just some water idk was it even water There's blood mixed in it >Be me driving into sunset and foreign leaders worldwide dying from ice
lets start: Ice: density approx 1.0g/cm3, vs 8.5g/cm3 for copper, 11.5g cm3 for lead - therefore the bullet has just 12% of the mass, and resulting momentum of the conventional round.
>Max range about 300m with cheap components.
with the lack of mass, to have the same amount of KE as a conventional firearm, lets use NATO 5.56 as a baseline:
4 g (62 gr) SS109 FMJBT 940 m/s (3,100 ft/s) 1,767 J
so, a bullet of the same size would be about 0.5g, that would require a muzzle velocity of 2650 m/s (8694 ft/s) to have the same amount of kinetic energy.
that would be physically impossible to reach with compressed air or a spring.
with the lack of mass, aerodynamic drag would be monstrous, so it would lose energy at an incredible rate - meaning it would likely have a range less than 100m, let alone 300.
this entire idea is fucking retarded.
Dominic Cox
You're just mad at my genius, ashamed you didn't strive for greatness. >Range less than 100m See? It would have a range wouldn't it? You could easily pop someone with it and be off in time for tea mate and you've just admitted it
There are, many issues, to the say the least, however the most glaring one would be the rounds mass. Ice isn't heavy like lead. Now you can get away with light bullets, but you need them to haul ass to actually be effective. The other concerns would be how would you stabilize the projectile? 300 M with no stabilization is more of a pipe dream than trying to own a house in the city. What about the gun melting in your hand? What about it melting as you conceal it? Also ice really isn't that hard without reinforcement and would likely shatter upon hitting bone. So in essence, you have a gun with an extremely light projectile that is moving incredibly slowly that has no stabilization, with an ever shifting point of aim, and hell even grip space, that can't even pen a skull. Drop the dumb ice round "hehe is ice no one will ever figure it out" and make a liberator pistol instead
Aaron Robinson
I'm talking about the design of a weapon you schizo, do you have anything relevant to say about my design?
what part of "would require a muzzle velocity of 2650m/s or 8,694ft/s to match a 5.56mm NATO round for KE - which would be physically impossible" is too complex for you to understand?
Are you clinically retarded?
Benjamin Jones
A close range weapon, so you're saying a pistol would work better? Ty, and the projectile can be a mixture of water soluble components of different densities. Maybe even throw some pocket sand in there as well. As for stabilization it's what rifling and the shape of the projectile & it's velocity is for bud
That defeats the entire idea, because if you're reinforcing the ice it no longer melts away leaving nothing. You know the whole crux of your idea? Secondly you'd get one shot before the friction of the round against your rifling makes it entirely null. It's almost like ice melts. Thridly with what fucking speed, with compressed air you'd get speeds akin to a pellet rifle (maybe, assuming the barrel and breach don't fucking shatter) and even then pellets are specifically designed and shaped, for stability. Aka no where near enough velocity and with the added draw back of no mass to even use what minimal speed you have. You want an extremely complex one shot throw away weapon that uses a fleeting material like ice, because you think it's an unsolvable mystery like a retard
Ayden Martinez
> and you've already admitted to me I could achieve a range of about 100m
_IF_ you were capable of getting it to nearly double the muzzle velocity of the fastest commercially available round in existence. At which point you might get 100m. if you're lucky.
You might as well say you're going to make a car running on a 9v battery out of a TV remote and it'll be faster than a Bugatti Veyron - and when someone says "you're going to need to have far more energy density to go that speed", responding with "see! you say I can go that speed".
James Sullivan
Yeah you're right about the mixing the ice, I'll go back to a close-ranged headshot kind of weapon with ice alone. Or even the neck. And nah I believe I could create a weapon that could accurately and reliably penetrate a man's skull or neck with ice from close range, the velocity of the projectile alone will cause it to penetrate something thin like a skull and hair or skin, muscle and cartilage. It's not like a retard, it's a perfect design
Good luck op, I look forward to video demonstrations of the first prototype.
Jacob Wood
>Also pre-cooled barrel
Camden Williams
Thanks user it'll be a few different designs at once as all prototypes are, just to prove these guys wrong. They're very passionate but I still respect what they have to say
You saying it will penetrate does not infact mean it will penetrate. You'd have better luck with making an icicle and stabbing someone in the throat with it. Atleast then you can get some mass behind your ice. Please study ballistics before embarrassing yourself again. If you desperately want to continue with this idea, drop the idea of rifling, as that severally limits your projectile shape. Instead look at shotgun slugs, and minne ball. You could set a hardened bb in the nose of the round for weight, and penetration, or you could go for like a thin steel ribbon reinforce sabot shell. A conventional round shape will not work in this application. Then again please learn the basics of firearms before acting like an expert on the matter. You look like a dumb child
