100% of modern political discourse is rooted in intellectual dishonesty and contrarianism

100% of modern political discourse is rooted in intellectual dishonesty and contrarianism

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one side is angered by facts, one side is angered when lied to

And this could be applied to either party depending on what team you like more.

Liberalism doesn't work. Simple as

No one side is angered by the other side and the other is angered by the other

No one actually cares about the topics. You certainly aren't taking proactive action to do anything about any of the issues or to be honest enough to care about the logical conclusion of those ideas. You just argue about it online for dopamine reward

You just want to fight to own the libs, or pull one over on the trumptards or who ever you chosen enemy is. And not a single one of you is willing to actually try and take action to move things in your favor. Even Jan 6 was a stage play. They had the opportunity to actually take action and they turned it into babbies first trip to the capital. A photo op while their enemy was ripe for the taking. And then left peacfully.

Conservatism doesn't work. Simple as.

Socialism doesn't work. Simple as.

The kicker is that all these governments do actually work. They just don't work in a way you want it to. Almost any political philosophy can form a government that functions as a government. But you just don't like the particular way that government interacts with the people. It's no less functional you just don't like it

What has worked forever? Maybe we haven’t figured out what actually works yet?

Incorrect. Socialism can only shortly survive through war or donations from capitalist nations.

Nothing will work forever. Governments come and go. That's just how time works. There is no perfect way and there never will be. Every nation will eventually fall and be replaced by another just like every society that came before us.

Socialism survived constant backlash for decades in Eastern Europe and the government functioned as a government that whole time. This is what I mean academic dishonesty. History objectively proves you wrong you know it did but you lie anyway. The only thing a government needs to be "working" is power. All the dead slavs in the universe doesn't mean it isn't functioning as a government

Glad we found out OP is a retarded commie kike. Abandoning thread now.

Socialism killed millions of people in Eastern Europe, which is why it received "backlash" from Eastern Europe.

Yeah and the government still functioned. It worked fine you just don't like how it interacted with the population. Government isn't about good vibes is about legal power over society.

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If people are dying of starvation it's not working.

Nah. As any political discussion in America will always be fruitless and were doomed to live the 2 part system till I die. Any philosophy is a fantasy. And since we're talking fantasy my political philosophy is that I should personally be the God emperor of the universe. Is just as likely as anything but a constitutional republic taking over my country in the mean time

Being a real liberal in 2022 is a conservative position.

Yeah it is. It's holding legal authority over its people. The government has never been about keeping people alive

Its like saying the Roman empire didn't work because the plague of Justinian. Worked just fine. People die

Government does not exist to "hold legal authority". It is given that authority specifically for the purpose of ensuring the safety and security of its people. If its people are dying of starvation it is failing in that task, not to mention they were also executing people at the time.

In this case people were dying specifically because of the actions of the government. The government could have done something about it but chose not to. The Romans didn't have very effective means of fighting disease available to them at the time.

No that's what you WANT government to be about.

Government is and has always been about power. Plenty of kings and rulers and governments have killed their own people. Most of them I'd wager. They still govern and often effectively through said violence.

All governments are parasites that exist to preserve themselves at the expense of their host society. There is no moral justification for any government to exist.

The idea of government would never have existed if it wasn't about ensuring the safety and security of its people. The only (yes, only) reason people willingly give up power to a government is because in exchange the government offers to provide safety and security. Socialism doesn't work, user. It never has.

I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean government is specifically about power.

Norway is both socialist and capitalist and doing just fine. You'll do better once you're out of high school and can stop blowing your hick dad.

Government exists by force not the consent of the governed. People don't give or give up power to the government it takes it always has always will. Wake up from fantasy land.