If there is no afterlife, then why is everyone convinced that there is one after their near-death experience (NDE), even ultraatheists and materialist neurologists?
This argument really untangled my reasons for being dismissive of NDEs. It is based on these premises:
1. Everyone is convinced by the NDE when they have it. 2. NDEs are vastly more real than the experience of everyday life that we have now, in every way. 3. NDErs are representative of the population as a whole. 4. Tens of millions of people have had NDEs.
What it made me realize is that my skepticism is not unique, due to (3). Many NDErs were even less open-minded and more skeptical than me before they had their experience. Also, these sentences really opened my mind to the importance of (2):
"... if it ... should succeed in providing us with a reality that seems and feels more real in every way than the one we came from, and if it would do all of this in a convincing manner, would we have any reason not to trust it? Would it always be more reasonable to sit and shake in a corner, repeating to ourselves that it just has to be the delusions of a mind trapped in a seemingly lower reality for trillions of years?"
I really couldn't come up with a good counterargument to that. Your thoughts?
Millions of people hear voices in their heads telling them to do things. Everyone is convinced by these voices when they hear them. Therefore the voices are real.
Juan White
There are millions of crazy people, yes. But the people who "believe in voices in their head" are not representative of the population as a whole, and not everyone who hears voices in their head believe they are real. Crucial differences.
>>But the people who "believe in voices in their head" are not representative of the population as a whole"
Provide evidence that either:
a) People who believe in voices in their head are not representative of the population as a whole
or
b) People who experience NDEs *are* representative of the population as a whole
You have done neither.
Blake Long
Many people are revived from death everyday Almost none of them had any magical experience. Most that believe they had an experience happened in hospital, full of drugs with a spotlight shining on them as they fade out from the drugs and their oupils dilate making the light appear to get much larger They confused drugs with magic during surgery Be less schizo
Cooper Morris
See the book
Henry Campbell
I had a NDE one time, it was when i ate at taco bell, then i had a out of body experience when i was trying to shit out that taco bell, to me that changed my life forever
Jason Hughes
What did you eat?
Jackson Bailey
Because we are afraid of death, our oxygen starved brain plays tricks on us and we desperately want to think that everything will be ok. If there is an afterlife or a god then how come there is no evidence? Not a single good reason to believe in either.
Luke Moore
>If there is no afterlife, then why is everyone convinced that there is one after their near-death experience (NDE), even ultraatheists and materialist neurologists?
The belief in an afterlife comes from peoples terror of the possability that this hell on earth is as good as it ever gets. That all the BS we deal with really is completely pointless.
If you want proof that evil is hard wired into the very planet itself, just google any video of an animal being eaten alive. Some dog laying there powerless as other dogs eat it as it lays there squirming.
There is no need to look any farther than these videos to disprove god, the concept of good, or the belief in a "Better Place" This world is nature, and nature is evil by its very core. And we are here folks. You can sit there and pretend that we live in happy La-La land all you want, but when its your turn to be brutalized, either in school, in a robbery, or just torn apart by dogs, you will get your wake up call.
tldr nde makes your brain get drugged like insane in agony and thats why you have visions , but it is true that lack of reincarnation makes no sense in reality
Chase Butler
1. >Incorrect, baseless claim 2. >See 1 3. >Most people don't have an nde, and not all ndes result in a fantasy 4. Yeah, and i didn't see the light, i didn't see shit
Landon Foster
>I really couldn't come up with a good counterargument to that. Your thoughts? Well, for starters you're clearly retarded.
Logan Hall
>how come there is no evidence Because a god or an afterlife are necessarily nonmaterial, meaning no evidence is possible?
Is this your first day in theological debate class?
Cameron Edwards
T. Typical Any Forumstard
Chase Roberts
No i have a point. It if has no evidence, why do people believe it? you wouldnt believe me if i said there is a pink dragon in my room, why do afterlife and god get a pass? Why do you not have the same standards for them as you do for everything else?
Logan Scott
There's no physical evidence for your consciousness. It's a subjective experience unverifiable by any externally observational means. And yet (unless you're the super special retard kind of materialist, you likely agree thst your consciousness exists.
Brandon Cooper
>If there is no afterlife But there is an afterlife. That’s when you’re free to go and do as you please. Time and space become one and all knowledge is understood. You define your reality on Earth like you do in the afterlife. You choose your fate in the afterlife.
Alexander Sanders
It isn't everyone that's a stupid argument, there's this local drug user who od'd but was brought back by me and now hes constantly evangelizing on the side of the road because he says he didn't see heaven and it was all nothing. Also we can literally induce supposed ndes in people, it's a state of mind where your brain thinks it's about to die so your synapses go fucking nuts trying to expend the last of its juices before the end.
