Retard pseud

Because (even more so than guns that you can just 3D print) ammunition is trivial to manufacture yourself.

how about not falling asa parent and simply hmeschooling
just 1 thought

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Yes user, population control is exactly what tanks are used for.

Imagine few thousand zogbots fighting 300,000,000 armed americans.
Literally zombie swarm but the zombies have guns.
That's how retarded your argument is

You could try explaining to this drone that it's impossible to rule over a population that keeps trying to shoot you, and give him various examples large military forces getting bogged down by a population that just won't stop fighting, but you know it's not about that. The drone is acting out its programming. The drone is not sentient and cannot be reasoned with.

>Why do they focus on trying to ban guns instead of trying to fix a system that keeps driving people insane at an accelerating pace?
Because literally occam's razor. It's easier to regulate guns than it is to regulate the minds of hundreds of millions of people. Not all shooters are motivated to kill for the same reason and not all are tied in a neatly cultural, racial or age based group.

Basically you have situations where people reach "breaking points" in the shadows of society until they can't take the stress anymore. The issue is this is extremely common in every country throughout the world but the US is one of the few where the ability to obtain high power fire arms is easy to do. Thus you get mass shootings (and frankly other shit like gang violence).

It's not unfathomable, it's just that doing so breaks the illusion that American schools aren't just brightly decorated prisons.

>Because literally occam's razor
Not even reading the rest of your post. The bugmanification is complete and irreversible with you.

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> trivial to manufacture yourself.
Hell nah, It's inconvenient in the extreme and require expensive specialized equipment and chemicals.
It's not something you can jerryrig with ease. The barrier to entry is high enough that hardly anybody would bother.

Notice how nobody starts manufacturing their own ammo whenever there is a shortage or the price goes up.
Enthusiasts hand loading is the closest you get but now imagine they have to make the casings and bullets to spec themselves too.
Access to live firearms would drop by 99% if bullets where made contraband.

>3D print guns

Almost nobody has a 3D printer capable of printing guns, guns printed on a 3D printer
are extremely irreliable and dangerous to the shooter compared to milled/stamped parts.
That is a sneaky distraction argument for people who understand nothing.

You can pretend this isn't the case but you know it's true. Americans can't even agree on health care but you suddenly think they can fix hundreds of millions of minds? Yeah not happening which is why you have people go after guns.

Or do you have some grand plan that can fix these millions of minds so one of them doesn't go insane?

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but I agree with this

>you suddenly think they can fix hundreds of millions of minds
Show where any of this is stated or implied in my post. You can pretend that you are human but I am not buying it anymore.

>almost nobody has a 3d printer capable of printing guns
but how many will if that becomes the easiest way to get a gun?
>extremely irreliable and dangerous ...
meaningless arguments, designs and materials advance (especially with demand). It's already possible to 3d print metals (with multiple different techniques and alloys) for example, some of which are easily accessible to the layperson (given some investment)

>When do you really need the capability to kill or wound multiple targets within seconds except when murdering a bunch of people?
>Why a civvie need a weapon that capable for sporting/hunting/self-defense purposes is a hard sell.
Ukraine

>Ukraine
Just don't threaten to join NATO if you're neighboring Russia?

Its not about killing many easy targets, but killing one very tenacious target

You're replying to a post that is responding to the question of why we focus on guns instead of preventing people from going insane. Your attempt to rebut my statement which brings up occam's razor is contextually itself an implication.

Another mindless drone response but the point still stands that your Occam's Razor shart is outright mental illness, and I never implied anything about "fixing hundreds of millions of minds". Wanna try again?

Roe v Wade kills roughly 500,000 American children a year.
Cars kill roughly 500 children a year.
2a hypnotizes some white dude to kill a a dozen children a year.

Better to be a warrior on a farm than a farmer in a war.

Prob almost nobody after a generation or two. You are 'murica so ofc you'd have rednecks printing guns like freedom depended on heaps of broken plastics and
malfunctioning POS homebrew guns that jams all the time. But that would get tiresome fast and their kids would not think it cool.

Notice how people all over the world have access to CNC machines and 3D-printers. Approximately nobody is manufacturing arms on them.

Also better to not let the US arrange a coup to oust your democratically elected president and replace him with a pro-NATO stooge. These people wouldn't know what to do if you gave them guns.

If you've never read about it The Waco texas assault.

>2a hypnotizes some white dude to kill a a dozen children a year.
White?

I remember two years ago when the national guard was having trouble defending the Cheesecake Factory from teenagers

You mean the FBI entrapment plot that let a bunch angry protesters into a previously secure building? Or the FBI entrapment kidnapping plot that fell through thanks to the FBI's entrapment tactics?

>Better to be a warrior on a farm

Said the 330lbs LARP'er strapped in kevlar and adjusted the AR across his chest.
The remains of a big-mac from earlier rolled down his cheek and stained the punisher logo T-shirt that
had started out olivedrab but now had gained a distinct woodland pattern thru the various food stains.

He leaned in closer and under the breath of his asthmainhaler added; "Donchuthreadohnmeeehboi' "

See

Ouch, you got me, right in the soul. It hurts so much

all you're doing is explaining why we dont CURRENTLY have a 3d printed firearm trade, not why one wouldn't crop up. Revolutions need arms, and children love revolutions, this isnt something that would "go away" in X many generations.

Guns don't kill people. niggers kill people. Plot murder death rate by firearms vs percent black population per state in the USA, and you find a correlation coefficient of 0.8, a sociologists wet dream.

Wasn't it some spic that shot a bunch of kids? I don't think anyone cares about groids taking each other out.

Accurate data paired with socially unacceptable diatribes sure sounds like controlled opposition to me.

Considering the education quality the US has i would be more interested in the murder rate run against failing educational systems.

>against failing educational systems.
Quantify this. How exactly is that supposed to be plotted?

Excellent question, I have no idea.

>Because literally occam's razor.

Um, no? You will be trying to change the political will of over half the country in service to the ambiguous goal of "making people safer". It is far easier to take steps to prevent men being so isolated and castaway than it is engaging in a "war on terror" and "drug war" equivalent from "common sense gun control" people. Some of us are old enough to know how this ends because we already did it, on this and other things, before.

>Or do you have some grand plan that can fix these millions of minds so one of them doesn't go insane?

"Perfect is not the enemy of good". The benefit of firearms as a force equalizer far outweighs the cost. When police are minutes away, seconds count. You fail, utterly, to factor in the benefit and treat it exclusively as a cost.

Then why suggest making that plot in the first place?

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Age matters more than race. Correlation is not causation. What you're seeing is geographic clustering of variations of age demographics as races have different "baby booms". Median age of whites is over 50.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/most-common-age-among-us-racial-ethnic-groups/

Just looking at age is not predictive on its own, as clustering matters a lot. A lot of young men with nothing to do, "idle hands make the devils work".

>How exactly is that supposed to be plotted?
Unironically, percentage of blacks and latinos in the school's top classes.

How is this not merely a reflection of the black population percentage?

American high schools are highly racially segregated. You have the whites and Asians in the honors/AP classes, while the blacks and latinos are in the regular, shitty ones. Failing schools can thus be tracked with decent effectiveness if there are not many whites or Asians at the top of the school hierarchy.

You're not understanding. You're only going to see those schools in states with high black populations.

My metric wouldn't accurately classify every school, true, but you don't need that to be the case. You just need a metric that allows you to create an accurate and representative sample, and to study it.
>you're only going to see those schools in states with a huge black population
Plenty of states meet that criterion, and it's best to study only one state, to avoid accidentally including differences between states

>Why do they focus on trying to ban guns instead of trying to fix a system that keeps driving people insane at an accelerating pace?
There are more high-stress countries than the US and people there aren't killing others over it

Good idea for those who can afford to do so. But the sad reality for large portions of schoolkids is that they overwhelmingly have absentee parents, and the only futile attempt that is keeping them from going full delinquent is school. This is the reason why its more of a daycare center nowadays than it is a learning institution.

I've always wondered, why didn't domestic militias just mobilize irregardless of what happened in the capital? If people saw it for what is was, and they felt a true conviction about what was happening, wouldn't have that been more than enough reason to take action? Or does the fed do a tremendous job at implanting moles into these groups to monitor and ultimately control them when things get especially bad?

>2a hypnotizes some white dude to kill a a dozen children a year.
It stings because its not a part of the plan.

You could also try to plot the data based on the level of demand that these schools have for higher level courses, which should be a direct reflection of the performance of the student body.

USSR and China did use them for population control

Imagine a bunch of 80 iq farmers who can barely read trying to fight US army tanks with assault rifles lmao

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>demand that these schools have for higher level courses
Good point. Another metric could be GPAs/test scores, or graduation rates.

spics are schrodinger's whites heckin ebin minorities when they're needed and ebil wypipo when they are committing crimes

Same with jews

And notice how Ukranians are now armed to the teeth without having had insane civilian gun-laws prior to the invasion.
We too have/had culverts with enough arms to arm millions of our citizens for the defense of the nation despite otherwise strict gun-laws.

And spoiler: You gonna go up against a nation state you need a hell lot more than small arms bro.
2nd amendment was formulated in times when a few dozen people with single fire rifles could offer armed resistance.
Not in times when a single nutcase with one rifle could kill a few dozen people.

Imagine trying to use tanks for urban warfare on your own population

>And notice how Ukranians are now armed to the teeth without having had insane civilian gun-laws prior to the invasion.
Yeah it was pretty crazy how well equipped those Ukrainians were practically from day 1 of the invasion.
Come to think of it, how did they get those fancy weapons when the US swore to god they weren't supplying them with arms? Wasn't that exactly one of Russia's issues with the US in Ukraine? Funny little detail isn't it.

Population control is based on fear. Tanks are scary but a spider is also scary

Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.

>any semi-autimatic gun with supersonic ammo and large magazine.

That would include all guns except blackpowder, pump, and lever action.

All pistols would be banned.

>All pistols would be banned.

Nah, you could still have your 1911 .45 bro.

Brainlet spotted. Printed manufactured arms by private individuals is approximately 50,000 a year across Europe and Asia. 15,000 in US alone. Numbers increasing by a steady 12% every year since 2010.

Blow your brains out, idiot.

>spider is also scary
A spider can be seen and killed. Try using a virus instead.

Most of their small arms are these locally made improved AK 74 pattern rifles.
From their point they've been at war since Russia invaded Crimea and they've been running a really effective bang-for-buck rearmament.

West was reluctant to provide any quality weapons to Ukraine prior to the invasion because
A)Don't wanna provoke Russia and B)Don't know if they just roll over and now Russia have lot's of western kit in their possession.

Soon as it became evident that the Ukrainians was willing to fight and that they not only held but also repelled the onslaught
there was no limit to the kind of weapon systems the west would provide and we scraped out every AT weapon we didn't critically need and flew it down there.
These are very easy to transfer weapons you can just load into an aircraft and fly anywhere on the globe as quickly as you bring them from the warehouse to the airfield.
A month into the invasion there was 10 western antitank systems in the theatre for every Russian tank.

Crawl towards me

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It's more expensive to provide free mental healthcare than it is to go on TV and whine. The terminal and instrumental goals for those in power simply do not align with the wellbeing of most people.

>>Also gun nuts lose their shit all the time whenever someone get's minutia about firearms wrong. As if that is somehow needed to understand the topic of disarmament.
Oh shit gun control! How will the Cartel and gang felons be able to legally purchase guns anymore? You utter moron. You absolute buffoon. You naive sweet summer child. Were you born yesterday. Cartel doesn't follow the law. They will keep getting their munitions, especially when the US government has purposely helped them (see: Operation Fast and Furious), and especially with the borders wide open while Bob the law-abiding vigilant church-going American citizen will have his freedom to participate in the firearm free market, conceal carry, and owning firearms revoked because reasons? Touch grass.
Ok Volodymyr "Fight Until To Last Ukrainian Civilian's Death" Zelenskyyy

Mass shootings are simply american culture. Crazy people would never shoot up anyone unless they can learn first that mass shootings are a thing, you can only learn this from movies, media, literature or from teachers in class or from your parents if your dad gave you mass shooting lessons or from classmates that give you banned mass shooting novels. Computer games such as Wolfenstein also teach you that mass shootings are a thing.
People are dumb as shit and they are not going to go on inventing novel things on their own. Imagine you are born in a field from a shepherd family, if you are smart you would only come up with better cheeses

You have no idea what you're talking about. Civilian semi autos are just as effective as platforms with a military history. Also less effective weapons are still very effective in mass shooting scenarios because the targets are helpless. Cho got 32 kills with just pistols, it especially helped him that he was able to carry two guns instead of one gun with a large magazine. No one could ever rush him because he'd only reload one gun at a time.

Also to answer your question. You'd want a large capacity semi automatic weapon in two scenarios

1) protecting yourself from riots
2) securing a free state

Also basic facts why your bans will not stop mass shootings and the killer will just use something else is not "minutae"

>There are more high-stress countries than the US and people there aren't killing others over it
They would if they could. What a smoothbrained retort.

>The terminal and instrumental goals for those in power simply do not align with the wellbeing of most people.
This guy gets it. "Society" is effectively waging psychological warfare on its members.

>they've been at war since Russia invaded Crimea
A referendum is now an invasion? Interesting revisionist history you got there. But no. You're wrong. Like usual. The conflict started after the Western-backed illegal coup in 2014. Actually no, this conflict is much older than that with elements that date back to 1949 when the CIA tried to back extremist rightwing Ukrainian insurgents against the USSR which failed. Ever since then the West has been sticking its hands into places it doesn't belong to create conflict and chaos. In the 50s the CIA was fucking around in Ukraine and grooming nazi groups with Operation Aerodynamic. This is what the US does. It goes into countries that refuse to become puppets or play along. It supports terrorists, political and religious radicals, essentially scum that I'm sure they would never support in their own backyard to create chaos abroad. Or maybe they stage a coup or two. But usually it backfires like with the Taliban in Afghanistan. The extremists you spent decades funding and supporting now drive planes into your most iconic skyscrapers. They kick your army's ass out of Afghanistan and take your poppy fields. No more opium for you. You have no qualms about your European "allies" when it came to Libya which now is a collapsed state. Refugees and terrorists pour into Europe and I'm sure they would appreciate the nazis that will spread out inevitably from the failed state of Ukraine. This is what you glow niggers do and it's no wonder why everyone across the globe despises you. Peace was never an option was it?

>Civilian semi autos are just as effective as platforms with a military history.

I agree. But we have to start somewhere. First we ban assault weapons, once we've done that we can move onward to have a conversation about weapons that are equal to assault weapons
but way less appealing because they lack the 2nd kind of cool in being guns associated with 'highspeed low drag' guys and depicted in in movies and games.

>Also to answer your question. You'd want a large capacity semi automatic weapon in two scenarios
>1) protecting yourself from riots 2) securing a free state

Neither of those are things you as a civilian and your beer buddies should be tasked with this side of Mogadishu failed states.
This falls under the jurisdiction of the police and the home guard.

>Also basic facts why your bans will not stop mass shootings and the killer will just use something else is not "minutae"

Look at any other industrialized nations and how that shit just doesn't happen in reality, it's a pure nonsense argument.
A bullied schoolshooter type incel just can't murder dozens of people with a knife no matter how motivated.
You'd to be some sort of UFC legend with a gastank to run ultra marathons to build any sort of bodycount using melee weapons.
Killing even a single person with a knife that isn't letting you kill them with a knife is a drawn out affair of many stabby-stabs.

There's a reason our infantry are using rifles and machine-guns and not box-cutters and sharpened sticks, deep down inside you know that.

Afghanistan

>Lel based Elon sticking it to the libtards by buying Twatter and enabling free speech
>Promotes license fpr killing machines
>ZOMG burn him on he's evil
Fucking lel

You're really firing on all cylinders there aren't you? Point is the government of Ukraine has conducted themselves
as if they had to prepare for war/recapturing of their occupied territories since Russia invaded Crimea.
They have built up their arms industry and their soldiers have been well equipped and well trained

That is why they where not caught pants down and just rolled over when them untrained Russian tankers where told to go to Kiev.
They where mentally ready, expected this as a very real threat and had been preparing for it accordingly.

All the deep penetration spetsnaz units that got annihilated trying to capture airfields tells you just how motivated the defenders really are.
Those where Russia's top trained A-tier forces and entire battalions of them got destroyed to the last man.
>Most of them had sold the optics on their own guns to western LARP'ers on e-bay.
>If you are a airsofter with a Russian red-dot pat yourself on the shoulder for your contribution.

> [things you said]
> all I need to know about him
I don't know what any of those things are so your post was pointless. He's a retard that fell in to money. That's all I need to know.

>is the concept of walls and gates ... completely unfathomable to americans or what?
To us, an old, partial fence is a new, great wall :^)

Talibans where armed with advanced western weaponry when bleeding the Soviets til they showed themselves the door.

They never could do anything against ISAF and where on the backfoot getting murdered by gunships and airstrikes left and right
til the day we decided there was no end-game that resulted in a win and it was time to go home.

What faltered was the corrupt to the core paper army we left in our wake, not a nation-state.

>Is user planing on arming enough religious fundamentalists to turn US into Afghanistan and have evangelical Christians dig down IED's along the interstate?

Young men (who aren't black anyway) aren't idle. They're in school or working.

So what about "young men who are idle" did you somehow twist into "young men are idle"? Does inability to read make you feel smarter?

they should ban glowniggers if they want school shootings to end.

dumbass, they used gun control for population control. Tanks are just an extension of that.

Literal 80 IQ post.

An 80 IQ post whose content you can't refute since it is factual. Your move bigbrain.

>An 80 IQ post whose content you can't refute
Your post has zero relevant content.

Yes, that's the point

Retard
Homeschooling? Is America a 5th world country

What's your point again, mouth-breathing imbecile? That it's okay if you have a decaying, inhuman mass-shooter-factory-tier society so long as they don't have guns?

Actual solution here is more guns. Every child should have a gun. Even 1 year olds. This will fix the united states

Yes because you limit the casualties. You can't kill 50 people in a minute with knives unless you're a navy seal in an elderly home

You're smart. You should pitch this idea to the democrats

That post has content, you typing '80-IQ' and not elaborating why has none.
You think you can debate any topic like that "uuuh literal X IQ." what? Whoever says zero first wins?
or do you move into negative IQ's like a bunch of retarded schoolchildren?

>Negative 'Graham's number' IQ post my dude! Now tell me user, how do you deal with that one mm?

>Yes because you limit the casualties
Why should I be more concerned about "limiting the causalities" than actually addressing the cause?

I'm not debating you. I'm just saying you're a massive retard and you're unwelcome here. That is all.

>I agree. But we have to start somewhere. First we
We know you want total confiscation and you're afraid to say it. Just skip to your real argument.

>This falls under the jurisdiction of the police and the home guard.
The police don't stop riots and you don't turn on the news.

>Look at any other industrialized nations and how that shit just doesn't happen in reality, it's a pure nonsense argument.

In the nations with the most gun control they just drive a vehicle through a parade

It's hilarious trying to watch you argue against recent history, at least let people forget some of this stuff before you lie to them

I'd rather limit casualties than do nothing which is what the other camp is proposing

The casualties would be insane if you tried to confiscate guns to the degree they are no longer common in the home. Try again

>reach out and poke holes in a human sized target
>within ~150 meter in the blink of an eye and with very little skill on part of the shooter.
It is obvious you have never used a gun and know nothing of what you are talking about.

Bait, but this is how naïve urbanites actually think.

Lol salty fat fuck.

>Talibans where armed with advanced western weaponry when bleeding the Soviets til they showed themselves the door.
Right, and there's no country on Earth that would quietly arm an insurrection against the US government.

>It is obvious you have never used a gun and know nothing of what you are talking about.
Never on any person in anger, but have 8 months military service, standard for able bodied males in my country at the time.

5.56 NATO flies at about 900-1000m/sec depending on barrel, it covers the distance I gave as fast as the fastest of human reaction times (150 milliseconds).
Most shooters will be able to plink in repeat shots on a center of mass human outline at those distances their very first time firing their carbine.
They're extremely controllable and there's hardly any recoil in semi.

I haven't do alot of shooting true, but that says even more how little training you need to be effective connecting on targets with such a weapon.
Firing my service rifle hitting stationary human sized targets within 150m was as easy as point and shoot (we had red dots).
For example hitting the back of someone running away from you in a straight line would be all but guaranteed.

You'd task me with murdering a bunch of people I'd be about ~500% more effective with my service rifle than I would be with a handgun.

not the other guy, but i did 3" group at 50m, the first time i held ar15 in my hands. holosights, no recoil at all, they're literally point and click.

with a handgun i miss a torso sized target at the same distance 50% of time, despite of training

>I'd rather limit casualties than do nothing which is what the other camp is proposing
I don't know or care what two camps the nonhuman hordes have been divided into this time. I'm just saying maybe it's time to make good use of those guns and take out the people responsible for this social degeneration instead of trying to mask the symptoms.

Mirrors my experience, had fired 5.56 rifle for a few months before I had the opportunity to try one of my officers glock at the range.
was expecting the muzzleflip just by watching people shoot but was so surprised just how much the pistol hit's you in the palm each round.

Lol at Murica. Gotta wear a kevlar jacket to go to school, and when you get shot you get bankrupted for medical bills.

JUST. FUCKING. LOL.

dumb

>Another mindless drone response
this dude actually has a nigger IQ. As precisely answered "show where any of this is stated or implied in my post" and it completely flew over his head. This nigger reads "Your attempt to rebut my statement which brings up occam's razor is contextually itself an implication" and dosent follow why, like it was a foreign language to him. Stupid nigger