All that separates an intelligent climate change activist and a green cultist is the nuclear question

>hole in the ground
>billions to operate

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dunno maybe search up nuclear waste facility for once?

And the alternative is breathing it in. Despite what it looks like the air you are currently breathing in is highly polluted, nothing like the air of two centuries ago. You can't run from this, not even the densest forest or highest mountain is free from this airborne shit. A single hole filled with five tons of shit is infinitely better than 1/10000 of it smeared on your face.

i dont fucking care about airborne shit
i care about electricity company perpetually using tax money to build and operate waste facility

Chuck it into a deep sea subduction zone. Fewer people have visited trenches like that than have the moon, it’s safe from terrorists and will be literally reabsorbed into the earth. Until then the water will absorb any radiation safely.

>proceeds to shit on river fauna
wow thanks nigger.

Why not just launch it into space with a sun trajectory?

the nigger spins a shaft, the white man uses geothermal.
>Verification not required.

sorry about your micropenis bro, would have worked out better if i hadn't stretched her out first

No, I don't want radiation. Try again.

I agree, but it's still not enough We still need fossil fuel plants for load balancing for the next few decades. We have not rolled out significant quantities of grid-scale storage capacity to accommodate the rapid shift to renewables. Power companies are currently holding off investment on that scale because the research and trial sites are developing the tech to an economically palatable level, and they need an economic strategy to manage the convert their infrastructure accordingly. Petrochemical demand won't be dying anytime soon either because the non-fuel byproduct pipeline isn't being addressed as intensely. Plastic demand keeps growing - guess what that needs?

hydroelectric dams are one of the most significant causes for environmental disasters.
people just don't see it because all of the dams were built before they were born and given a chance to give a shit.

youtube.com/watch?v=K_ozlB1wLKk

Not sure if ironic or actually retarded

i wonder if he still lives

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>climate change activist
>intelligent

>install solar panels
>free electricity
>this is somehow bad?

>pay for electricity
>pay tax for electricity companies to use
>this is somehow good?

solar panels arent free electricity

explain in 1 word or less

actually you're paying for it either way.
the only reason solar panels are even remotely affordable to you, a consumer, is because they're subsidized by government programs.

Germany ended their solar subsidy in the early 2000's or so and destroyed the entire industry and basically handed it over to China.

>because they're subsidized by government programs
nigger i buy panels from fucking alibaba dot com how is my government subsidizing it

and ironically, this subsidization of solar means that you're taking money from the poor and giving the opportunity to the rich (who are the only ones who can afford to buy a house and install solar) to spend less money on energy

basically, solar is racist.

Why do we have these threads constantly?

my dad does have a pretty big dick haha

if you're not getting a grant for the panels you installed, you're probably a fool, but if that doesn't work, they'll give you a tax break or rebate

the money already flowed through the system, they're just giving it back to you

i don't live where solar is subsidized.

>subsidized by (Chinese) government programs.
Solar is only competitive because they are subsidized, but so is most energy. But solar would not do well on its own.

I guess your country hates the planet then

>is 9 inches
Is that the sum of her and your belly fat?

why would the chinks subsidize solar for me and even if they do then why do i care?
i dont care about the planet nor diversity for that matter
i care about my money
free electricity good

they're not subsidizing it for you, they're subsidizing it to own a monopoly over the industry.
also, economy of scale is a thing
other governments subsidizing solar will cause production to ramp up and bring prices down
>why do i care?
well if your government isn't participating in subsidies, then I guess you don't care
but for the rest of us, government energy subsidies in solar only benefit the rich

if your government subsidize solar that just mean they're cheaper for you and you should be glad
i fucking wish my government subsidize solar so i can get them cheaper, now my payback is like 8 fucking years

if my government subsidizes solar that means I can't buy it because I don't own a house
that means my tax money goes to something that I don't have access to

>that means my tax money goes to something that I don't have access to
well thats not exclusive to solar nor electricity even isn't it?
for the rest of us that do have access it's good

>why would the chinks subsidize solar for me and even if they do then why do i care?
It becomes one more thing your country depends on China for. Do you not understand the concept of soft power?

>not exclusive to solar
Energy subsidies (that are not solar) affect everyone. It's fair even when misdirected.
>not exclusive to electricity
Those are wrong too, unless it's for maintaining a critical industry that can't be offshored.

Remember:
Every first world government wants you to live in a pod/apartment
how the fuck are you going to get free electricity when they don't want you to own a house?

if i had to sell my soul to the devil to not pay money i would do in an instant
how is being dependent on electricity companies worse than generating your own electricity
if anything the "living in pod" argument works better against people who relies on buying electricity

>how is being dependent on electricity companies BETTER than generating your own electricity
god damn typo

You're performing mental gymnastics

Let me make this real fucking simple for you, since all you care about is money:

I lose money from solar subsidies.
I AM PAYING to let rich people get free electricity

are you understanding yet?
how can you not understand the simple concept of getting cucked by your own government

>I lose money from solar subsidies.
well sucks to be you i guess because i don't.
and even if my government does subsidies i would still don't

yeah there you go

i hope you realize your argument isn't against solar itself but rather than subsidies on things you don't have access to.

I have a lot of other arguments against solar, but the issue that gets the least attention, is that the people who promote it the most are also the most privileged people who don't understand that they're promoting inequality in the process.

Both cucks. Shame they can't kill each other.

nigger i aint promoting subsidies
i just find people who think paying for electricity is better than free electricity extremely fucking retarded
if you don't have access to free electricity thats your loss

Nobody really cares about what people do on an individual scale. It's peanuts.
If you want to install a solar panel on your house and you can afford it, no one will stop you and no one will argue against it.

What people are really talking about in terms of energy policy is what to do with the billions of dollars tied up in federal government budget allocation.

>What people are really talking about in terms of energy policy is what to do with the billions of dollars tied up in federal government budget allocation.
i agree, and thats exactly why i think nuclear power is bad and solar is good.
because the government subsidizes building of nuclear plant, building of nuclear waste facility
AND perpetually subsidizes nuclear fuel, operation of nuclear plant and operation of nuclear waste facility
not to mention transportation of fuel and waste that needs petroleum

with solar you just put it on ur roof or your yard and forget it
maybe wash them once a year or something

Reminder that your former Chancellor, Shroeder, starting shutting down nukes pretty soon after taking office with the promise it would be offset by renewables. That never happened (of course; it was very immature tech at the time) so they made up for the difference with Russian gas.

Then near the end of his term he fasttracked Nord Stream and when he left office, he was made president of Russia's largest gas company.

You see… nuclear plants are necessary to create components for weapons though, unlike solar. Like it or not, well armed states see a real need to subsidize nuclear, regardless of muh energy generation

Hurtle it into the sun. Problem solved.

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well no, there's clearly bias there
With solar, the subsidized money disappears into the Chinese government and further cements their monopoly on the industry.

Solar panels are made using significant amounts of heavy metals, which are mined from the ground, and ruins the local water supply (because China doesn't care)
Further, the solar panels themselves are not recyclable and end up landfilled in 20 years, which is already a pathetic runtime.
There are nuclear power plants which are 50 years old.

Really all you did was move your ecological disaster to another country where you can't see it and don't have to think about it.

At the absolute lowest, it costs thousands per kilogram to send something into orbit, let alone into the sun. Also nuclear materials tend to be denser than average, which means even more weight to lug off the ground.

you see, i'm not an activist nor green person. i just like not losing money
>further cements their monopoly on the industry
dont care
>ruins the local water supply
dont care
>solar panels themselves are not recyclable
dont care
>end up landfilled
dont care
>in 20 years
if it has already paid for itself and more then its good

The absolute STATE of the German government

You are part of the problem

if i coal generated electricity were free i would also use and encourage them.

Nuclear-generated power is cheaper than solar power, even at the government scale.

Maybe eventually it will be economical.

You don't need a full facility. Just modified oil drilling equipment to make a series of 18" diameter holes going deep below the water tables. grind up the depleted uranium and mix it into glass at a proportion that it is unable to go critical, and put it in the hole. You're basically putting it back where you found it, deep underground where it can't hurt anything.

That's completely unnecessary.
You just store it on site
People seriously overestimate how much """waste""" there really is.

If you put together all of the uranium that the US has used over all of time, it'd fit inside of a Walmart.

Plus you can reuse it as fuel in other kinds of reactors.

Sure, but we gotta take care of it in special facilities in the meantime, so the storage costs basically remain unchanged

Wawawewa, Қaзaтoмөнepкәciп very nice Uranium mine! Make many monies for kazakhstan if only climate cummies would cave!

bro, France is powered almost 100% by nuclear power and they're doing fine right now

>intelligent climate change activist
lmao

>cen.acs.org/environment/pollution/nuclear-waste-pilesscientists-seek-best/98/i12
>90000 metric tons PLUS 212 million L
sounds like a lot for me

uranium is not in chunks that are easily stored or put away. It’s in contaminated gloves, clothes, equipment, wipes, and so on, not just metal shavings or something. This adds significantly to the volume of material that needs storage, as well as the complexity of any storage solution. Compatibility between different chemical species has to be considered, and it’s even worse when waste streams aren’t well documented, which is especially the case for how things were decades ago, when most of the waste was generated.

>turning useless liquid and sludge into glass
sounds like a fine enough solution
personally I'm for keeping the high level wastes around because they can still be used for other things
don't really give a shit what people do with the other stuff

It’s also kinda insane producing nuclear waste with absolutely no way of getting rid of it, just hoping that you’ll find a solution in the future. Hopefully nothing happens to the storage facilities.

it's ironic that the biggest blow against the Yucca Mountain project was a stupid ass Godzilla movie

Shit's infuriating. It was basically ready and we just stopped at the finish line because optics. People are so stupid it makes my head hurt.

A lot of spent uranium nuclear fuel rods are able to be recycled to be used again and can be used to create plutonium rods, which can produce even more power than the uranium ones. this means that not only a lot of spent fuel can be recycled, but also that the amount of waste being produced is *beyond* negligible compared to the amount of waste carbon emissions which are being shat out by coal plants and other things like it. also, billions per year to operate a hole in the ground? please...

Civilian reactors don't make weapon grade plutonium. I know you wanted to sound knowledgeable, but you're just wrong.

>Germany shut down 3 of its last 6 nuclear power plants in late 2021/early 2022
wait why? according to wikipedia, the greens aren't in power

>It’s extremely inefficient

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Germany has a government designed to decentralize power as much as possible, giving more power to third parties.
IIRC, the Green Party joining some alliance or another was the reason their coalition of parties won, and so now the government is obligated to heed a certain number of their demands.

In a way, the German government is very good at doing things that it likes to do, and very bad at doing things that it must do even if it's unpopular. Kind of like a child with vegetables.

>rocket fails
>1 metric tonne of nuclear waste is showered across the landscape

neck yourself berg shill.

neutrons will destroy any electronics on the ship before it gets anywhere near the sun

While it's not a bad idea, people are too retarded for this and the media/environmentalists will just complain about the poor fishies and fear monger about the water being polluted

judaism

The space elevator is a concept that might become a reality in the future. It’s less likely to cause any problems in transport to outer space.

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take the thorium-based molten salt reactor pill.
thorium-based:
>thorium is far, far more common in the earth's crust and almost all of it is fertile Th-232
>a thorium reactor's byproducts are overwhelmingly shit for making nukes
>multiple orders of magnitude less nuclear waste produced, and the waste will decay in a hundred years or so compared to tens of thousands
>reactors would be breeding reactors (produce at least as much fissile material as they consume), meaning they don't need any other fuel except more thorium once they've been started up
>CERN estimates a ton of thorium can produce as much energy as 200 tons of uranium or 3.5 million tons of coal
>mining thorium vs. uranium is way safer (open pit w/o need for ventilation vs. ventilated mine with high radon levels) and efficient (thorium ore has higher concentrations of thorium than uranium ore on average)
IIRC no major disadvantages besides the need for further R&D
molten salt reactor (MSR):
>high safety and meltdown-proof (designed to run hot, in emergencies it just melts a plug at the bottom and drains into a containment vessel, in some designs the fuel and coolant are the same so loss of coolant just causes it to shut down and start cooling)
>low-pressure means much cheaper/easier/safer containment/piping/safety equipment/etc
>doesn't produce burnable hydrogen
>can quickly react to load changes without worry of the xenon poisoning present in current reactor designs
>runs hot as shit (700C / 1292F) compared to current reactors which means better thermal efficiency
again, IIRC no huge disadvantages except "more r&d and regulatory changes" & possible maintenance costs
Multiple countries including the US and China are looking into this for Gen 4 reactors. We're way past the point of needing to defend its byproducts and safety if these became standard and you'd just have to convince enough of the "I hekkin love SCIENCE" normie public of this.

>only hydroelectric makes sense from a green perspective.
*Causes massive erosion, kills hundreds of thousands and ruins agriculture for a decade*
Psst, nothing personal kid.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Banqiao_Dam_failure

>ruins agriculture for a decade
Before you quote Chernobyl, the Banqiao dam ruined 12000 km2 of farmland. The Chernobyl exclusion zone is only 2600 km2

>Yucca Mountain
Which is funny because the damn state of Nevada was the shit ground for underground and atmospheric nuclear and chemical weapons testing during the Cold War.

>Not having a problem with radiation

Not sure if ironic or actually retarded

not one weapon has been made from civilian reactors.

Chemical weapons are to hard to effectively use only against enemy. Unexpected wind, unaccounted ground water or your untrained troops can provoke a disaster for your military. Same goes for bio weapons.

No it won't. Steel is not hard enough to hold itself against the centrifugal force of earth's rotation. No matter how many meters thick your steel cable will be, it would simply snap like a toothpick.

Operation

longevity

>yeah but where do you store the waste?
Burn it in a breeder reactor so the volume of waste is reduced by about 95%.
Take the remaining waste and split it up based on what type it is. The medium life stuff let it sit for a while and it's now harmless. The slightly longer lived stuff you can can it, then bury it in a stable well shaft made by the exact same method as an oil/gas well is made. Drill down to whatever formation level you want then turn it sideways and stack in the waste. Best part is you can have grab bar hooks so if for some reason you wanted the waste you can fish it out.

Maintenance.

>dunno maybe search up nuclear waste facility for o- ACK