This thread is for the discussion of operating systems and their design, development, and usage. Basic questions about mainstream operating systems (Windows, macOS, Linux) are not allowed; there are other generals for them.
>no mention of fuchsia This is a pretty fucking shitty "OS general".
Gabriel Evans
Will add in next thread. Thanks.
Joseph Young
Libreboot doesn't change the chipset built-in ROM that still starts and potentially can do damage. The hardware is backdoored, no amount of software will mitigate it. Did any OS apart from OS/2 actually use rings 1 and 2 for anything?
Kevin Jenkins
Not operating systems, but I vaguely recall there was a DOS extender that used rings 1 and/or 2.
Jacob Lewis
By handbook do you mean a guide or the ISA manual itself? The closest I could find was this: github.com/riscv-non-isa/riscv-asm-manual/blob/master/riscv-asm.md Then there's the manual itself. RISC-V is still pretty new, I don't think many people have written full-on guides for it yet.
Lincoln Brown
ring 4 - jabbascript, bydlon
Parker Parker
Interpreters are a dead end. OSes that run the JVM/CLR or something similar in ring 0 are the future.
Asher Stewart
i wouldnt mind ACPI if it wasnt for the godawful fucking terrible niggerlicious documentation >force everyone to use ACPI via Wintel's 30 year monopoly >shove all functionality into an OOP bytecode that you invented >document the bytecode in highly autistic recursive pseudocode >refuse to elaborate further picrel goes on for 8 pages. the entirety of the documentation for AML is 8 pages.
What do you think about Haiku? Is it ever going to have a modern web browser? It'd be more user-friendly than Windows if they did.
Aaron Ortiz
>Haiku its user API seems a little bit too "out there" to port a browser to
Chase Roberts
It has Qt5 port and they're working on GTK. Many programs in Depot are Qt5. I don't think it's a problem. Their default browser is unstable, I guess it would be good otherwise.
Wyatt Butler
I agree. ACPI is actually terrible. Probably the worst subsystem in modern hardware, only AVX/VEX encoding comes close. The concept is nice but execution is terrible. Linus commented on it, pic related
Haiku is probably the closest to being a real alternative to mainstream OSes. If they can get their native browser some more functionality and improve their graphics drivers I think people will actually start using it. Another thing that is sorely missing is virtualization capabilities.
Angel Mitchell
How is QEMU on it? I couldn't get it to work.
Andrew Gomez
>virtualization capabilities what specifically? VT-d autism?
Austin Butler
I don't think the OS supports host virtualization at all. discuss.haiku-os.org/t/vm-s-on-haiku/2631 >Haiku’s kernel doesn’t provide any virtualisation services at all. The thread is from 2011 but I don't think anything has changed. >VT-d autism? Yes, AMD-V/Intel VT-d. There's no VMM support.
I was running Haiku on a Sandy bridge machine natively last year, all the hardware worked, with Integrated Graphics, browser could even run Discord, albeit really ugly.
Josiah Barnes
Why do we need a operating system that dictates Ownership and Permissions of files? Do we really need Copyright in our binary systems? And is this maybe a security leak?
>VMM sweet baby jesus thats a lot of pages of documentation. yeah no, if i was a haiku user i'd just port QEMU and have it emulate every instruction.
Jose Cook
For a single-user/consumer OS, file permissions are unnecessary. Terry Davis commented on it. It comes from mainframe/server OSes. youtu.be/gBE6glZNJuU?t=117 1:57
Yes, emulating instructions would be simpler, the only thing that suffers is performance. Considering the purpose of haiku is to be a end-user Desktop OS first and foremost I don't think VMM is necessary. Which is probably why they never worked on it. There are more important things to put development focus on.
Daniel Collins
>The original OSDev Wiki: has a lot of information but it is mostly outdated and rather opinionated. Read with a grain of salt. idk, it seems pretty fair and true to me all the information is factual and technical i'm not even sure how you'd opinionate a technical article also >not putting Serenity in the OP other than that I feel like this will be a very comfy set of generals
Colton Fisher
It's good for security. Not all attacks require psychical access.
David Clark
>Modern OSDev wiki, espousing up-to-date info what info? its fucking empty! >i'm not even sure how you'd opinionate a technical article giving actual advice and tips instead of copy-pasting dry documentation from Intel. OP is a faggot as usual
John Price
>giving actual advice and tips instead of copy-pasting dry documentation from Intel a lot of the pages are advice/tips, and the wiki and forum users normally recommend looking at the intel/amd docs when you get to a certain level, since it'll just become infinitely more useful i think one of the most useful things the osdev wiki has to offer is the osdev forums
