Is free will real?

>Is free will real?
Actually it is.
But out of convenience we choose to live with rules, set up by other, to enable to live together as a (big) group, that'll help us to survive in much better terms.
But you do can live on your own, off the grid, rape & kill anyone you like. But you'll have to face consequences of your actions eventually. Once you become a danger to the group, the group will put efforts forward to eliminate the danger you put forth/represent

>extra-physical data
What the fuck are you talking about

To an extent it is but you will never be 100% in control, ever.

No, there is predetermined fate, you may try to be radical and "defy fate" but that has already been your fate, it is a path laid out for you you blindly and unwillingly and unknowingly follow

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>there is predetermined fate
>you blindly and unwillingly and unknowingly follow

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No, but sometimes it's on sale

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Yes.
It's as real as quantum mechanics.
Certified retard.

im out here consuming redpills by the bottle you're out here prolly using a cherry mx blue keyboard sippin soylent

takes one to know one good buddy

>you're
retard found

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true if big

you look foolish

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Wouldn't 'extra physical data' be a subjective point of view...you could argue creativity is a physical expression of free will

>Is free will real?
depending on your definition, yes.

There is no "destiny" - your choices matter and your future is made from the consequences of what you do. You are only constrained by the physical laws of the universe.
However, it is not unreasonable to say that your actions and choices are an outcome almost entirely of the preceding state of your mind and body. Mechanistically, your current state determines what you ultimately will choose to do or not do.
This is assuming that quantum events do not play a part in cognition. There's that one oxford mathematician/physicist whose name I'm blanking on who things there is quantum shit going on in microtubules that gives rise to consciousness but I haven't heard a compelling argument to that end.
tl;dr - everything you do is basically predetermined but subjectively you have free will to do whatever you want. the two are not mutually exclusive unless you have an imprecise understanding of causality

data is extra-physical. It cannot be part of physical reality or made of atoms. You can only represent it with neural impulses or bits on a computer or marks on a paper

nigger wrote this

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roger penrose is the microtubule guy, took me a few minutes

>determinist hasn't gotten the double slit spook yet

Do Americans have a free will?

>XD

please enlighten me

unlike you I'm not a mongoloid mouthbreather so I understand that the double slit experiment says nothing about consciousness because it is the *measurement* that changes the outcome, not a human observer
You read observer and assumed human, not realizing that the observation is done by a machine and it does not matter whether a human is involved at all
Or worse you watched a youtube video of some idiot who came to that conclusion and you just slopped it up like the two braincell dumbfuck you are

you probably had to look up what he was even talking about to understand it

what the fuck does quantum mechanics have to do with free will in humans. You draw an arbitrary line between two things that aren't related to try and sound smart

take meds pls

fucking asswipe you think that double slit cannot be pre determined based upon pre determined actions of other parties

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Pull down your pants and I'll show you.

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No, it's the existence of data. As I said previously, data and patterns do not rely on physical anything. All of mathematics is like this. There is more to the universe than what meets the eye.

invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=Q1YqgPAtzho
Here's a good video to sum it up for you. Bottom line is, measurements change physical reality on a sub-atomic level. It's the basis for Quantum Mechanics. The did further studies that showed the mere existence of data is what influences that state, be it in a computer or a human brain. You can have the same sensor active, but if it doesn't record the data, the phenomenon doesn't happen.

You cannot say that a man runs solely because his muscles move his bones. The truth is, the man's perception has data influencing his decision. He's running because there's a fire behind him. And this falls into my definition of free will: being able to react to your environment based on data you possess. Yes, your brain does that.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Ashes you are, and ashes you will become

schizo alert

what even kinda bullshit are you spouting out

>valid point, however-

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What would free will of a soul be, then? If it's not extra-physical phenomenon unique to you influencing the world around you?

Influencing your actions, I should say

OP DID YOU THINK ABOUT MAKING THIS THREAD AND THEN DO IT? IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION...

You lost your last brain cell there, buddy. Your consciousness is your body's reaction to data

Free will is real to an extent, but your will can and is determined by a multitude of factors. Your past, the people in your life, your genetics, etc. Your will can be INFLUENCED sure, but it is still your own decisions. Even then you can still decide to do something against all odds. Everything that could happen has some possibility of happening. So yes, free will is real. It's just manipulated by your environment.

If you're unwilling to have an actual conversation that requires thinking for once, maybe you should go die alongside the rest of your brain cells.

what you described is individual experience, not free will

yes, even if you are a slave you can choose
to continue serving the white lord or kys.
Freedom is everywhere

what is free will user?

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>There is no "destiny" - your choices-
Where do those come from tho lol.
You don't have a choice in the things you choose in truth user. Destiny is very real, we are completely stuck in an totally perfect illusory. How this came to be is a question that is still left entirely unanswered despite the "lore" humans have. Something put math here, we are stuck in the math and have no way to see out of it in the slightest. This could have all been an accident, but destiny is real because of the vastness of math.

Are you saying that the presence of data (there's a fire behind me) in my brain doesn't influence my actions (me running)? What about the culmination of all of those data bits I've developed in my mind growing up? Wouldn't you say that makes you who you are, and determines what you would do in any given situation?

Praytell, enlighten me on your definition of free will

What is your definition of free will then?

Fuck no its not
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>Is free will real?
No, unless the universe turns out to work extremely differently to how we think it does so far.

>I know that all of our behavior is influenced by outside factors but surely there must be some cases where this magically isn't the case anymore for some reason

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If determinism is real (which I mostly think) then free will doesn't exist.

If that's your criteria for "free will" then you must consider slime mold to have free will in the same humans do. It experience stimuli and react in the best way it can to that stimuli. If you, as a human, choose to add thoughts about or to you actions, it does not prove any free will.

Yes.
Everyone saying no is a degenerate looking to excuse their filth.

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The complexity of the human brain (a receiver) is so great that wave forms can have a very small anomaly that can have huge effects on decision making. Stupidity, defined as unprogrammed behaviour, I beyond ants, who have never done a stupid thing, being entirely programmed.
On top of our ability to be stupid are these anomalous wave-forms in the electrical cycles in our brain that can glitch very slightly at crucial moments in life so that we choose a course of action that is not only unprogrammed, but entirely sub-optimal.

This can create the unpredictability and chaotic output that appears to us as freedom, but we're as programmed by our ancestry as ants, just so wildly more complex that we can fuck up more.

I think there's a potential for yes and a less likelihood for no
Like, there's a wild incredible potential for chaos out of every brain lightning thought, because it could be based out of and result in almost anything
But also there's such a magnificent splintering of options out of every fork, that there's every potential for a new operation out of every unexpected interpersonal relation
Aka free will is real but not unlimited

who would have the free will ?

slime mold would also be a rudimentary free will without logic like humans have from their neural structures, yes.

t. atheists, opinions disregarded

Free will does not exist. Anyone that disagrees is either fundamentally ignorant, or they're confusing "free will" with "will." Will exists. It's just not free.

what of logic and humans central processing leading to an observer state known as a soul? Ants and other insects are like robots, dude. They only have small pockets of neurons loosely linked together by a spinal-cord-type thing

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Whats constraining the free will? math? perception?

No and if you dont understand youre a product of your surroundings, the situations youre on, the chemical balance in your brains and all the other factors that all weigh on your decision making process, youre a fucking moron.

Consciousness is only the tip of the iceberg of everything happening in your body.
I dare you idiots to make your hearts stop by free will, your body isnt going to listen to that unless youre mentally ill enough to stab yourself.

> Muh muh I have free will
No, youre jackass that desperately needs to think your own actions make you more special and therefore deserve more than the other.
Youre a dumbo and an asshole.

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