is it bloat?
Is it bloat?
William Gonzalez
Anthony Bennett
Looks like wood, 2/3 of a complete box
Brody Barnes
Yes. Nix is better.
Jacob Rivera
Everything above 8 bits is bloat
Matthew Turner
To this day I still don't get the point of flatpaks, snaps and appimages.
Nathaniel Gray
what's wrong with flatpaks?
Thomas Campbell
nothing. I just dont see a reason to use them unless you REALLY dont trust an app
Nicholas Barnes
no
What do you mean?
They're just ways for a developer to package up their shitty program and manage their own release cycles rather than leaving it up to distro maintainers.
Noah Bennett
No. They tend to have much more up-to-date packages than distro repos.
William Wright
>software doesn't break when dependencies like glibc break stuff 2 years down the line
>developer only has to package software for Linux once
>on Arch, if packagers fuck up the dependencies like they did with Evolution a week ago, your flatpak software still works and you don't have to wait for an update
>on stable/lts releases, you can get new software
>sandboxing for better security on Wayland
>less burden on every distro to package userland software and focus on system packages (e.g. Arch's core repo)
Kevin Jones
Useful when the app isn't packaged for your distro
Blake Taylor
$ guix pack flatpak
GNU Guix is better than Bloatpak.
guix.gnu.org
ludocode.com
Robert Lopez
Source-based distros are better than Flatpak, I agree, but not everyone wants to wait for shit to compile or has enough neurons to figure it out
Julian Roberts
They don't really offer any security. flatkill.org
Michael Jenkins
So this is the power of flatpak
Cooper Rivera
Sandboxing malicious apps is the wrong tack to take anyway imo, and this isn't the selling point of Flatpak but rather just an extension of the "security by default" attitude they're taking to Linux. Even if it does result in being a security meme, that's better than ignoring security altogether, because maybe, eventually, they'll get it right.
Lincoln Ortiz
just use debian lmao
everything is fine on debian because of Ubuntu
Joshua Smith
>use app that wants specific permissions
>t-the sandbox doesn't work!
Also flatseal is a thing schizo retard.
Austin Lewis
The more flatpaks you have, the less this is an issue. It's the price you pay for updated, never-breaking, easily-packaged and easy-to-install software.
Ryan Richardson
Or you could stop trying to use a stable server distro in a desktop.
Evan Richardson
Is having a private bathroom in your apartment bloat?
The point of containers is to bundle everything you need into the unit
Sharing a toilet with everyone on your floor kinda sucks
Lucas Carter
my company is looking at snap+Ubuntu core to replace our aging CentOS 7 target.
Ubuntu core is actually a pretty neat ecosystem if you're trying to manage a device os image and applications.
snap itself is interesting in that it is a signed squashfs image with strict security guarantees from apparmor. I don't like it more than rpm/deb for packaging, but it sure makes a lot of sense for distribution to an end device.
Jayden Garcia
i don't understand how removing something from an already perfectly minimal fingerbox makes it bloated
Luis Cox
wrong. desktop software always is second class and gets shafted by the maintainer trannies in favor of nodejs apache shit even on unstable.