I'm going to ease up on people...

I'm going to ease up on people, right wingers in particular I realize like with schizo people are just caught up in shit they'll never get out of and I need to be more mature about it. Dealing with the devil simply ain't easy.

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yeah when you start to think of right wingers as scared rather than as assholes it'll change your whole world view
unironically read the turner diaries, it's what a lot of the extreme ones think the world will turn into and it's insane and you realise they are just scared and delusional

>as scared rather than as assholes
Except they try to force their stupid fears on society and put in laws that limit freedom for normal people. They can be scared assholes, but they're still assholes.

>leftist talking about freedom
fuck off

>implying I'm a leftist
I'm a liberal, retard.

other than wanting people to pay taxes and not be racist what isnt free about leftism

yeah i got you here - but to remember that assholeness is coming from a place of fear helps

The entire point of leftism is to take freedom from the individual and give it to the collective.

People in the US think leftist means social democrat or liberal

If you have demons, op, then focus on helping yourself. Politics is escapism from real problems that people have. It's never the full truth just never. I abandoned politics years ago and it was a great decision.

politics determines how society operates are you actually retarded?

the collective is made up of individuals so if the collective is free how are individuals not??

No, people being stable does that. And like I said it's never fully true I was in the world of politics for years. Screw the hate and all the partially true facys. I'm working on myself. You should do the same.

Fallacy of division.

I'm a leftist. You know, democracy, workers ascendency, opposition to imperialist war, etc? What exactly do you mean by liberal? What Americans call leftists today are fascist/proto-fascist elements of the US Democratic party.

Taxation of workers by a bourgeois state is theft. Tax money in generally redistributed to corporations and socially parasitic underclasses that avoid work. American working class conservatives are basically right about taxes even if the people they elect are still corporate tools.

The entire point of the radical left is to abolish bourgeois class dictatorship and create a democratic workers state. There is little individual freedom except in the home in bourgeois society, and the majority of life is not spent there.

>Fallacy of division
actually applies more to right-wing ideology lmao

>some people are free and succesful and come from nothing
>anyone can do this

if the collective of people as a whole are free then of course each indiviual is free, the fallacy of division doesnt work at all in that situation

>What exactly do you mean by liberal?
Free markets, democracy, government regulation to ensure the markets remain free, taxes to price in externalities
>What Americans call leftists today are fascist/proto-fascist elements of the US Democratic party
Oh, you haven't taken your pills. Go take your pills little schizo.

>Tax money in generally redistributed to corporations and socially parasitic underclasses that avoid work.

this doesnt mean all tax has to be this way does it
if tax was spent properly it would be great

>Free markets
>government regulation to ensure the markets remain free

how are those free markets then

>how are those free markets then
A completely unregulated market is going to be less free than a well regulated one because of monopolies, fraud, etc. It's better for the government to mandate certain things like requiring financial statements to truthful, requiring markets to remain competitive, subjecting M&A to review, etc.
Externalities are the other big one. A company that dumps toxic waste in a river is saving money on disposal at the cost of other corporations and the actual people living in the area. The government needs to regulate that to ensure that corporations are paying for the costs they inflict on others. This should include something like a revenue neutral carbon tax but there's no political will for it for some reason.

Obviously not everyone can make it.

>if the collective of people as a whole are free then of course each indiviual is free, the fallacy of division doesnt work at all in that situation
I am a collection of cells. I act freely. But my cells are not free, they act in my will.

Why should a class that controls less than 20% of the wealth pay any taxes at all? Even American founding fathers considered income tax to be an unreasonable measure barring existential threats to the state. So, why should you now pay taxes in perpetuity? Ukraine and American arms industry is given billions upon billions, but Americn workers have trouble affording drugs and housing? Amazon evades taxes legally while American workers and small businessmen pay nearly 30% in combined taxes? There is no good tax system because the authors of the tax system are inherently corrupt due to money buying power. Workers revolution, preferably by peaceful noncompliance, looks like the only solution to me.

This applies to both left and right wing