Just found out there's a subreddit called transition goals where they post pics of actual women and anime girls and say...

>the problem is that many of the things that make men more attractive conventionally
according to who exactly? other guys? no, i think even the most attractive guys (to women) also look attractive as women.

it's naive to conflate (like incels do) a muscular body with masculinity as if it's an inherent trait. one difference between males and females is that male hormones contribute to far more significant muscle development during sustained periods of activity. the exact reasons for this aren't entirely clear but it seems much like other animal species the purpose is to deter competing males from aggression due to clear associated risk.

if this hypothesis is correct (and it seems so in all species related to humans if not humans themselves), a significant physical build is in fact a symbol of being threatened by violence and is defensive.

women aren't inherently going to be more attracted to males who are more often subjected to violence, as this demonstrates multiple traits: both a capability to defend AS WELL AS highly risk-prone self-destructive behaviors. it's clear those balance themselves out to little if any net positive.

the average sexual dimorphism in humans is often within the bounds of variation within a single sex. this means that although some portion (say 50%) of males won't make good fake females, the other 50% easily will be on the other, sweeter half of the pie.

(i'd make a terrible, ugly as fuck, 'fugly' fake female with broad shoulders and far too muscular of a build.)

>not going off the other end by lifting heavy objects

>lifting heavy objects
when something needs to be lifted i lift it no problems.

i mean lifting until you're a ball of muscle.

>i mean lifting until you're a ball of muscle.
well that's what i was trying to explain here:
>this demonstrates multiple traits: both a capability to defend AS WELL AS highly risk-prone self-destructive behaviors. it's clear those balance themselves out to little if any net positive.

if it was a net positive we'd expect humans to be constantly at war, like "klingons" or something (?) with huge muscular builds and way greater sexual dimorphism as females would only mate with the largest males... but that clearly isn't the case, or is it?

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i lift to flex in the mirror, look good and be athletic.
are you trying to say there's no point to it because "aggressiveness"?

oh wait though ... i think we might have hit "peak fat fertility" like a stacy hits her 30s

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>are you trying to say there's no point to it because "aggressiveness"?
no, i said there are trade offs and it clearly isn't solely beneficial. what could you be doing instead of lifting weights?

what else would be worthwhile? lifting is obviously a side activity to some other thing, like education.

give me one downside of being ripped, excluding any kind of trade off in other areas (to exemplify it being said side activity)

>give me one downside of being ripped,
joint pain as you age more, consequences of accidents like dropped weights, torn muscles/ligaments, heightened risk of heart issues due to lack of cardio and much higher stress on the heart... even your hair turns grey faster because the stress you go through while lifting generates stress hormones that are linked to greying hair.

it's all complicated though. don't let that worry you, eating BBQ causes cancer, too. that doesn't mean i'll never use a grill again. it just means almost everything has a bunch of trade-offs even when we're not aware.