tell me looksfags (i.e. incels in general), why does data demonstrate that autism has such a detrimental effect on men's dating and sexual prospects if as you claim it has nothing to do with it because it doesn't fit into your looks reductionist paradigm.
and before you give me the cope of 'you have it backwards, you see autism is actually CAUSED by being ugly' in a desperate attempt to shoehorn it into your meme worldview, consider the following..
>none of for instance the incel killers elliot rodger, alek minassian, or jake davison were ugly, yet all were diagnosed with autism
>autism tends to come with many symptoms that can't be reasonably explained by this 'hypothesis', such as sensory hypersensitivity or hyperobsessing over a particular subject
>autistic traits are detectable early in development before the subject has had the chance to interact with peers. for instance infants will focus on the mouth when looking at someone rather than the eyes and will prefer to interact with objects rather than people
>autism has been found to be highly heritable, upwards of 80%, and there is a database that tracks the genes associated with the condition which is always growing
>MRI scans show fundamental differences between the brain structures of autistic and neurotypical subjects
>plenty of ugly guys are confident and socially normal, you just need to take a look at SBSK to see that
so no, miss me with that cope-out
Tell me looksfags (i.e. incels in general)...
This is a board where men who know thing about women and sex pretend they know everything about women and sex. You're a retard if you consider any takes here to be "redpilled", or "legitimate" or anything other than a cry for help. With that said, I've seen women date downies simply because they had tard strength and an athletic build. You cannot take anybody who believes mental-illness of any kind (including autism) has no affect on dating seriously. By this alone -- and you deleting the previous thread, you are probably autistic.
>You're a retard if you consider any takes here to be "redpilled", or "legitimate"
trust me you don't have to worry about that
> I've seen women date downies
i wouldn't be surprised if down syndrome had less of a detrimental effect than autism
>You cannot take anybody who believes mental-illness of any kind (including autism) has no affect on dating seriously
i don't that's kind of the point
>By this alone -- and you deleting the previous thread, you are probably autistic.
oh no, i've been found! no shit i'm autistic, that's why i don't like it when stupid edgelords lie about and downplay my condition.
I think it's because when looks are discussed in relation to dating, it's mostly about how extremely successful a small number of men are. The Chads. At that point, being autistic probably doesn't matter, because girls will throw themselves at you
The important thing about looks isn't to NOT be ugly. It's to be highly attractive. Elliot Rodger and friends weren't ugly, but they weren't attractive either. Being average looking with autism is a death sentence for dating. But being average looking without autism isn't all that much better, as nearly half of all young men aren't getting laid.
I do see your point OP. Looks are definitely not the only things that matters. But I also think the incels have some good points, as looks probably matters the most of any factor. Personally, I would much rather have Chad looks and autism, than average looks without autism. And I would probably prefer to be average looking with autism rather than extremely ugly without autism, although that one is a a little harder to decide on.
>as nearly half of all young men aren't getting laid.
i'm sure you're not just pulling that out your ass. even the most dire data that i've seen shows that the average normie is still getting laid and close to 30% weren't but probably aren't permavirgins like the typical autist is either. you can't just round a figure that's close to a fourth up to 'nearly half' because you find it convenient. it's also not settled what the cause for the apparent uptick is, you can't just put it all down to looks with no good evidence. if you're going to bring up dating apps i can show you why they're most likely not a realistic culprit. one thing that is probably more relevant is that a lot more guys are staying home later into life nowadays. another one that a lot of people talk about these days is porn and its affect on men's motivation.
>although that one is a a little harder to decide on.
really, did you bother to look at the data i posted? close to half of autists remain virgins in their late thirties compared to literally no NTs, or not enough to show up in this sample. also dating success isn't the only thing that autism impacts, it affects every facet of your life in a far more negative way than being ugly does and saying otherwise is just memey bullshit.
elliot rodger and jake davison were arguably above average too. there's no way you can tell me that the majority of guys you see with gfs (assuming you leave the house at all) are 'highly attractive' and better looking than them.
btw a relatively small number of people having most of the sex is not unique to men, it's the same with women. of course you can say that it's more of a choice with them, but still.
also women showing interest in you doesn't automatically secure any sort of result beyond that. i've had that happen numerous times to no avail.
Can we talk about the massive buff drug abusing males get acc. to that image? I've observed this in real life too.
My cousin is in a commune (his stay paid for by his gf), every single degenerate there also has a girlfriend on the outside, and the femoid psychiatrist there can barely contain her lust when she sees my retarded cousin. He has the verbal IQ of a carrot and is obese from the antipsychotics they have him on, but it's like the mere status of being a druggie/criminal overwrites that.
Gambling adddicts, alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals, EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY HAVE A GIRLFRIEND WITHOUT FAULT. Even the ugly incel looking criminals have girlfriends, and usually hot ones too.
The criminalpill is BRUTAL.
I also forgot to mention my cousin is 5'6 too. He should be incel due to his looks and brain damage (he literally cannot have a normal conversation trust me on this) but he has a loving gf, the femoid psychiatrist there is obsessed with him, and he had shittons of girls before he got committed.
not sure how drug use relates to the image, if you mean 'substance abuse' on the fertility graph then 0.8 means less than the average.
but yes it's a well known phenomenon, a common example is serial killers receiving love letters in prison from their fangirls.
some incels focus on the more 'chad' ones and use it to say that they're overlooking their anti-social behaviour because of it, but even manson when he was about 80, hardly in his physical prime, almost got engaged to this qt who he was in contact with for about a decade before he died
forgot pic
but yeah, to make it original, if anything this phenomenon goes AGAINST looks reductionism
it's basically an example of the 'dark triad' theory, but that's more 'red pill', and not really an incel point at least not anymore
if you have a friend circle then you will get access to girls in a natural way,where personality and the social status within the group matters more but if you are autistic, shy or whatever you most likely dont have a friend circle and then the most important thing is your look since you do not have access to females beside cold approach and online dating. the blackpill is the reality but only for outcasts.
>get a friend circle
no its too late, you form friend circles when you are young, after school its over, no friend circle want people who didnt grew up in one and learned/trained the social basics. at best you will get one with outcast males but that wont give you any access to females.
Everyone knows autism is a death sentence, its why most non autistic ugly guys can get 2 or 3 gfs, it still doesnt take away the fact that being ugly makes dating considerably harder.
It doesn't matter how attractive you are, women can smell the awkwardness and autism out of you and immediately lose interest. I guarantee the people on here that say they have sex use some sort of prostitution.
>Everyone knows autism is a death sentence
speak for yourself, i can show you posts from this very day EXPLICITLY dismissing it as completely irrelevant and even going so far as to claim that it's just another byproduct of lookism.
this is the standard incel position, as ironically autistic as it is.
>it still doesnt take away the fact that being ugly makes dating considerably harder.
not relevant to the premise of the thread.
Im not like most "blackpillers" a lot of them are retarded, but most incels would admit that being autistic has something to do with their inceldom, most incel fourm users are autists. But the theory of lookism is still true, stuff like height, looks and penis size does play a major part in dating.
There was some study in Canada that found that autistic spectrum people were less likely both to be employed part-time rather than full time, and to be single rather than in a relationship. A (female) psychiatrist advised me during a session to focus only on autistic girls, but didn't explain why. Seems like doing so makes odds worse, like expecting a group introverts to start a party.
My experience is contray to this almost. I would definitely describe myself as being autistic/ "weird' and and an outcast and I've always got tons of female attention due to my aloofness and quirkiness and I was outright ugly during my early teenage years, only thing I had going for me is having a deep voice and being a bit taller than average, my face is like a 6 if I'm being honest but I'm fairly masculine looking and my frame is shit. But yeah during my high-school years I had tons of girls pestering me to try figure me out and they'd often call me weird or shy but romantically pursue and often would freak out of if I said something out of line because no one expected me to speak or have any kind of wit. I even had a female friend who was in a relationship with a friend of mine but she was really interested in me as a person and would often poke fun at me being depressed, weird, and shy but years later would romantically pursue me. Even when I've been shy and sperged out on girls I've found attractive they received it well and I could've had relationships if I reciprocated their interest. I'm alot better looking facially now and I have a really deep voice but I'm still not chad/brad tier but get more female attention. Also, whenever I look at couples my age almost every alt girl is in a relationship with a dumpy looking onions and most stacies I've seen are either with chad/brads or some boyish looking guy. Just my observations/experiences
But I also do believe being autistic is a social hindrance and even a death sentence for some. I have no way of meeting girls organically and I have 0 social life. On a few occasions I've met girls interested in me but I have sperged out. Even had some stacy tier girl fascinated with me at a course I was in because I wouldn't speak. She kept on pestering me, being passive aggressive, and once I was resting with my hand on my face and she pointed me out to someone I looked at her and she smiled and flushed. I was pretty bewildered because this tall stacy was interested in me. Corona lead to the end of the course I was in and I wonder what could've came of it.
But autistic girls don't exist due to the fact that they aren't affected by autism?
>im ugly
>proceeds to describe himself as above average in both height and face
>"yeah guys it was totes my aloof personality"
retard alert