I'm a man, but I don't think that toxic masculinity exists. But rather that masculinity itself is inherently toxic. Or...

I'm a man, but I don't think that toxic masculinity exists. But rather that masculinity itself is inherently toxic. Or, to put it in a better way, non-toxic masculinity doesn't exist.

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Your father raising you is non-toxic masculinity.

Retarded women call it toxic for its mere nature, don't be a retarded woman

My father has a litany of domestic violence charges against him, and has been in jail for killing people in a bar fight. Plus, fathers don't generally raise children.

Positive masculinity is stuff like being a leader, being a positive alpha that influences the people under him to be better etc, a man who sticks to his principles and never wavers, a man who is dutiful and honourable, a man who other men can count as a role model to be a good person. Unfortunately very very few men embody this anymore. The only man I know like this is my grandpa.

That explains it.
>Plus, fathers don't generally raise children.
good ones do.

>good ones do
Good ones have to actually exist for this to be true.

Most toxic masculinity is instilled from father-to-son.

Stoicism is also huge part of this, and possibly the most masculine trait a man can hold. Not being a little sissy bitch who tolerates cruelty or injustice, but not being a resentful angry beta who thinks the world owes him shit either.

They do, it's unfortunate that you didn't have one, my mom divorced my dad before I can remember, so he didn't really raise me, he's still a good guy though.
>Most toxic masculinity is instilled from father-to-son
most positive masculinity is instilled from father to son methinks. It's called being a good role model.

>Your father raising you is non-toxic masculinity.
He's on r9k, so I don't think this argument holds up.

>They do
They don't, and you see it in statistics, where men make up the majority of violent offenders.

>it's unfortunate that you didn't have one
Bad faith argument.

>he's still a good guy though
He's a man, so that's deeply unlikely.

You said they don't exist, that's impossible because I know one. I'm sorry if what I said was in bad faith, would you say he was a good role model? Did you have a father figure other than him? It seems like your anecdote is clouding your judgement of men as a whole.

I'm sorry user but my father's love and care couldn't fix what having an absent mother has done to me.

There's nothing wrong with that, "toxic" is a buzzword

That's just statistically wrong. Most men's attitudes towards anything start from their fathers, or other men/boys in their community, and the majority of it is sadly negative--and almost a carbon copy of the crap you see here. And due to various cultural practises in places like the RF or USA, being the type of father who hits his wife for giving him lip (for example) is considered being a good role model.

Niggers make the majority of violent offenders too

you could have saved some typing and just said "i'm a faggot"

>You said they don't exist, that's impossible because I know one.
Which is anecdotal evidence, and based on only the assumption that you're being honest.

>I'm sorry if what I said was in bad faith
This is also a bad faith argument.

>would you say he was a good role model?
His gender precludes him from being one.

>It seems like your anecdote is clouding your judgement of men as a whole.
The pot calling the kettle black.

>My anecdotes are Better than yours!!!!!

I'm sorry user, that sucks. Was she mostly absent or was she totally absent?
>That's just statistically wrong.
I didn't mean that most IS positive, I meant most positive stuff comes from the dad.
>based on only the assumption that you're being honest.
is this good faith? I don't really know how to argue so...

>I didn't mean that most IS positive, I meant most positive stuff comes from the dad.
You're basically saying the same thing twice. And even then, it's not accurate as far as research is concerned. Most negative stuff is found to come from the dad, while most of the positives are usually from the mother. Or at least, this is the case if you're from a culture like the US--and the positive-negative distribution between the two is arguably variable.

Ok fair enough, I didn't know those statistics and I didn't consider positive masculine traits being taught by the mother. Not being sarcastic either, I definitely think that's possible.

Technically I cut contact with her when I was eight so she's not really absent. The thing is that she has BPD and Bipolar so mentally she's basically absent so I've lived with my father since I was eight and saw her maybe one to four times a year and didn't interact with her at all other than those times.
The only effect of it all is that I'm really bad with rejection so I stopped trying completely after I got rejected one time.