Cutting cheat thread

vegetables are more filling and satiating

Wasn't my comment mate. But you should know this community by now. Or maybe I'm just an oldfag and things have changed since I've been absent

Could your absence be replicated or maybe even your presence being moved on towards greener pastures?

I'm gonna be cutting at like 2000 or so calories. I'm only like 15% BF, but I have really really stubborn fat on my lower abs so I thought lets cheat this time and see how it goes.

Rude. I literally live in Africa (no jokes). Can't really live in Africa and be a racist. Well you can, but I think life might prove to be pretty shit for you.

The racists are the only ones who survive in Africa, because they know to keep away from them, the rest get mugged and killed(literally easier to mug and kill in SA than to just mug to save future trouble) through their ignorance

I got bad news user, the majority of cutting drugs don't do shit (and if they do then the side effects aren't worth it). Of the one's you've mentioned I can only speak from personal experience for yohimbine, caffeine dosing and ECA (and have tried all three in various combinations) but I've also tried some other bullshit like green tea extract, piperine and some other nonsense I forget. I've also looked into clen and DNP but not used for legality/safety reasons. Of the ones I did take I used in a variety of different combinations over a period of 9 months with no intervention being used for less than a month, during which I was calorie restricted via prolonged fasting (>48hrs). Many of these drugs work their best when fasted (and indeed may have no effect if used in a non-fasted state) and I found no significant impact on weight loss, even when I controlled for things like exercise, time since start of diet or dosage. Now that's all a data point of 1 so it has very little ability to extrapolate but even amongst the literature with larger sample sizes (still not big studies) the effects were found to be minor and there is almost certainly a huge individual genetic factor in your response. I really wouldn't hang your hat on any of these to speed things up. Clen may be different but the only drugs I know that really guarantee results are DNP and anabolic (in the sense that they will help you preserve muscle mass) and they seem way beyond your comfortable threshold. Effective drugs aren't safe and safe drugs aren't effective - by definition anything that could significantly affect the composition of your whole body must be capable of having significant side effects.

Than you should get synephrine and ephedrine off the list too

Feels bad man. But I've read so much good shit on yohombine...

So ECA stack not worth?
I could clen I guess. Just mass cell death to the heart doesn't sound great to me..

Haha I live in SA mate. Well it's more just about avoiding the dodge areas (I.e known crime Hotspots and informal settlements). Also just being conscious of safety, locking doors, installing decent home security etc.

Wealthier people tend to move into security estates (which I am fortunate to be one of).

Ive been hijacked and held at gunpoint on a couple of occasions, but meh I'm not dead and SA is a fucking beautiful country so I'll just live my life. If I die, I die.

Do these have known interactions?

Ugh fml. So it looks like clen might be my only option?

Was hoping yohimbine might work, since the anti depressants kinda fucked with my libido. Really struggle to get a boner now if I have had a little to drink. Which never used to be the case before the anti-depressants.

Has made bringing a girl home from the bar a shitty experience.

Like I said it may be that it works great for you, but even in the best case I wouldn't expect more than a lb a month and honestly that is really hard to detect on an individual level. How do you tolerate other stimulants? Unfortunately I'd say unless you are already particularly susceptible to them (do you get tremors from too much caffeine?) then I wouldn't really recommend them. The good news is unlike pinning there's literally nothing you cant achieve with just time and effort. It sucks, it might take you longer than you want but if you diet right you will get where you want eventually.

Think about it this way user, if there really was a drug that could have a major affect on weight loss that had only minor side affects do you really think you wouldn't have heard about it by now?

I handle caffeine pretty well I'd say. Used pre workouts quite often and drink a lot of coffee. I also have a Ritalin prescription, so had other types of stimulants.

But yeah I'd assume if I'm taking the clen I should lower my caffeine or other stimulant intake just to be safe?

Look, like I've had a really strict diet and trained hard. But I kind of lost a bit of muscle too when trying to get super lean completely natty. Like I looked good, but really didn't have the definition on my abs like I would want. Like really fucking stubborn layer of fat on my lower abs. I tend to get really ripped legs quite quickly, which is rather strange.

Haha I know that. I can deal with minor side effects, or small risks, just don't wanna do some permanent damage or some shit.

ec works but a lot of people get used to it after a few days
ime i did get used to it kinda but it’s still a major difference from nothing at all