>MOBA Tactics. Moving the character; Attacking creeps; Controlling waves; Attacking another character; Choosing items; Warding; Jungling; Attacking the medium creature; Attacking the big creature.
>RTS Tactics (Supreme Commander FA). Starter build order (about 3 minutes); Scouting; Attacking early engineers; Commander options (makes rushing possible and preventable; has upgrades); Tradeoff time to upgrade to tech II and III (both metal extractor upgrade repays are approximately 4 minutes; producing units vs. upgrading a factory and producing units is calculatable); Map size (travel time of land, sea, and air); Factory requirements (air factories cost a lot of energy); Microing; Relevant technology and counters (radar; making a tactical missile defense when you get to tech II; shielding, especially because of bombers and the win condition usually being commander survival; artillery to counter point defense and shields); Unit picks (utilizing your chosen faction's specifics such as health, mobility, and firing characteristics); Air dropping units; Experimentals.
What if the game forced you to battle for resources? Like fighting over a gold or wood site so you aren't sitting at base and poking your enemy with killing engis.
Austin Cooper
>What if the game forced you to battle for resources? That's what an RTS is.
>Like fighting over a gold or wood site so you aren't sitting at base and poking your enemy with killing engis. "What?"
Jason Stewart
RTS died out because once people actually learned how to play them there wasn't all that much strategic choice due to dominant strategy and thus games were just decided by whose stalker micro results in better trades
Julian Davis
>The standard MOBA is surpassed by a quality RTS I mean yes? Is this even a discussion?
Michael Perry
I don't play any of these genres but I always hated moba but loved the idea behind rts. I used to watch those starcraft tournaments. I will never ever watch lol and dota. I can't stand that garbage gameplay its just really irritates me that people somehow think these games are good. Nothing about them looks exciting in the slightest.
Benjamin Russell
You aren't wrong, but anyone who is over 18 already determined this.
Landon Gray
What a silly thread. What's next, pitching chess and checkers against each other? I mean I'm a chess guy myself but I enjoy eating at cracker barrel too.
Daniel Miller
>RTS died out because once people actually learned how to play them there wasn't all that much strategic choice due to dominant strategy Are you suggesting players have 100%, mathematical understanding of optimals?
I think that it's easy to be entertained, so watching a MOBA is OK, especially if you like the streamer; but tournament casts are exaggerated; MOBAs don't have anywhere near the castability of SupCom FA.
I would personally love a really slow paced RTS that isnt about rushing/clickspeed/micro. Instead focus on city-building, population, strategic map control and shit like that. I know it would be really unpopular though.
Xavier Hall
Empire Earth
Alexander Long
This. Competitive RTS boils down to >How fast can I mash buttons >Use one of three cookie cutter meta build orders specifically designed to beat all of my opponents strategies once I scout them >Control group units for some shit gimmick strategy >Gimmicks and cheese It's horrifically boring to play
Jonathan Moore
A big gaming demographic is 18-23 year olds, and I don't they they, or most others, have enough experience with a varied:deep RTS to want to optimize their time.
