Any Forums on Elden Ring:

Any Forums on Elden Ring:
>exploration is shit because there's nothing but runes to find
>crafting is worthless padding
>open world sucks because you can ride past everything
>summons break the game
>reused enemies and bosses make the game repetitive

Also Any Forums:
>yeah I use the wiki / look up guides, what of it?

The only reason why Any Forums has all of the above complaints is because no one here plays the game right. Using the wiki or a guide is NOT the default or intended experience, and when you use those things you trivialize the game.

>runes, crafting, open world, summons
All there to assist weaker players / players who are not just following a meta.

>reused enemies and bosses
Sprinkled throughout a far more varied experience than Any Forums gives credit for since shitposters here just following a guide from major point A to major point B rather than play the game organically.

Some people will respond and say "but I don't use those things and I still have these complaints." You are still posting on Any Forums, learning about the game through Any Forums. Any Forums in itself is effectively a guide. So you are wrong in claiming that you aren't using any guides to play the game with.

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My only issue with the game are how minidungeons of the same type look exactly the same, even if they have a different layout and gimmick. Also usually the miniboss at the end is some random mob i steamroll.

I agree. Towards the end of the game I'd just look up the dungeon boss to determine if the dungeon was worth exploring

this is some really bizarre cope, all of those are valid points and you dont need to read a guide to figure it out. elden ring is also the easiest souls game

>you dont need to read a guide to figure it out
Not what's being said at all. Shitposters here don't understand the VALUE of those things because all they do is follow a guide / wiki / meta and barrel through the game. Those things have worth for players who are either less skilled at the game (newbs, or just people who aren't good at action games) or who aren't following a meta and are therefore playing a less-than-optimal build or a generalist, or who are specifically playing a build that encourages more ranged or tactical combat than direct combat. The runes, crafting materials, open world, and summons all become more valuable in those cases. As for the repetition, it's there, but it's enhanced when you play the game in a robotic fashion, which is what happens when you pay attention to any meta.

so elden ring isnt a game for long-time fans of souls
glad we agree

Pretty much. It's for newcomers, and people who have never obsessed over learning a meta in this or the other games.

>>exploration is shit because there's nothing but runes to find
This argument actually blows my mind with it's utter divorce from reality. How many useful items do you actually get by just following the main quest line, not just in ER but in literally any From Soft game?

>everyone who is better than me obsesses over "metas"
theres that cope again

Yeah, I'm not even addressing the fact that the comment is overly reductive. But even what it implies, that runes are worthless, is wrong.

If you refer to the wiki, a stream / video, or a forum / chatroom (including Any Forums) for learning anything about the game, then you are learning the game through a meta rather than through playing the game.