How did Vivec achieve chim after the main Morrowind story if the sermons that he wrote in the game say he achieved chim?

Vivec certainly CHIMmed before the events of ES3. Your entire thread is retarded, as you acknowledge literature in the game said he was CHIMming prior to the events of the game.

By the time the Nerevarine meets him, he's disconnected from it and doesn't regain it. He either dies during the game or becomes a hermit or something, but the insane exploits detailed in the 36 Lessons for sure never happen again.

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>World of TES is a dream of being known as Godhead
>Those in the dream can realize this fact
>Upon this realization, there are two paths to take
>Realize that, since you are only part of a dream, that you are just a figment of the Godhead. Therefore, you as an individual do not really exist. ZERO-SUM
>Or, you can realize this fact, but also be enough of an egotistical narcissist to maintain your individuality despite this revelation. CHIM
There are two characters who are confirmed to have achieved CHIM. These are Vivec and Talos. Much of the confusion about CHIM comes from the fact that it is very unclear what it *means* to achieve CHIM. It could be anywhere from spiritual enlightenment to full lucid dreaming powers and complete control over reality. The best indication on the powers that CHIM grants is from the Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes in Oblivion

>CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled.
This is thought to reference using CHIM to transform Cyrodill from a jungle, which is how it was portrayed before Oblivion, to the landscape that is shown in TES4. This chart makes more sense if you just ignore the words in the circles.

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>the insane exploits detailed in the 36 Lessons for sure never happen again
That might never have happened at all. It's kind of a running theme of Morrowind, really TES in general but especially Morrowind, that everyone is full of shit.

TES is the only game franchise where some guy who isn't even employed by Bethesda can write some drug-addled nonsense onto an obscure forum and people will take it as 100% gospel.

The way I understand it, is that Vivec used his Godhood to rewrite his own past, so the events of the 36 lessons did happen, but a more mundane history also exists.

>Vivec used his Godhood to rewrite his own past
He wasn't THAT powerful. If he was Morrowind would have never happened because Dagoth Ur would have just rewritten history to say "I win. The end." The Tribunal are little more than glorified magicians. Them being gods is something they just made up. It's all taken away from them in an instant.

I thought there were two vehks one that is a god and one that is a mortal. The mortal killed nerevar while the god stayed innocent. Or at least thats kinda what I got from lorebooks and videos

THREADLY (BI-DAILY) REMINDER THAT VIVEC DID NOT ACHIEVE CHIM

HE SAID HE ACHIEVED CHIM IN HIS 36 LESSONS, BUT AS WE KNOW LITERALLY ALL IF IT IS A LIE AND BASICALLY A POLITICAL PIECE TO LEGITIMIZE HIS GODLINESS AND RULE OVER MORROWIND

THE ONLY REAL PIECE OF TRUTH IN THE 36 LESSONS IS SECRETED AWAY AND CODED INTO THE LESSONS

>Notes: Reading the first letter of each paragraph of the Sermon Thirty-Six forms a hidden message: 'Foul Murder'. Additionally, if you take Sermon Twenty-Nine, associate each of the thirty-five listed numbers with a word in its respective sermon, another hidden message is revealed: He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this.

HE ACHIEVED HIS POWERS THROUGH THE HEART OF LORKHAN, NOT THROUGH CHIM

ALSO IGNORE THE LOREFAGS THAT SAY VIVEC BASICALLY RETCONNED HIS OWN EXISTENCE USING THE POWERS OF THE HEART TO CREATE A REALITY WHERE HE DID ACHIEVE CHIM, THAT SHIT IS LITERALLY FUCKING RETARDED

Reminder that vivec didn't suspend that rock in the air simply as a symbol of his power. That was a cope he told the masses. He was not actually strong enough to get rid of it.

People do often use Vehk and Vivec as different names to describe pre and post godhood vivec. However, if Vivec did just overwrite his past to have him *always* be a God, then there can't really be a pre-godhood Vivec.

The message in 36 does not conflict with the idea that Vivec achieved CHIM. It's hard to say for sure if he did or not, since we don't really know what exactly CHIM gives

They had real power. During the events of Morrowind neither Dagoth or the Tribunal have the tools to really make use of the heart, and they are in a constant battle that the player can't see. Vivec held a meteor in time for decades even with the heart gone.

The tribunal we see in Morrowind are at the weakest they've ever been.

based. never stop keeping it real, sera.

They weren't gods, user. They were playing at being gods. That's why just some guy who isn't even so much as playing at being a god can still beat them all.

You're misremembering. The player character, who has an established backstory of having tried to play god, beats them all.

>poke the heart of a god-thing
>real power

People meme CHIM too much. In universe it's such a rare thing that it only ever happened like three times. Mantling is way cooler and it's not hippie nerd shit.

>The player character, who has an established backstory of having tried to play god
You didn't get this game at all.

I think the phrase "stealing the godhood" is a pretty direct reference to the Tribunal literally taking power from Lorkhan and his heart. In this phrase Vivec confirms that he achieved godhood through the heart, and NOT CHIM. You can't achieve CHIM if you're already a god. This is literally the reason why Lorkan created Mundus, was to determine how to to usurp the godhead from his own position as a god.

Reminder that they weren't even as powerful a deadra, considering the fact that Azura gives you an artifact that can trap Vivec and Almalexia's souls, which is the only soul gem in the game to do so