First of all, both of their universes are different from each other. Red is expected to catch all the Pokemon in his region, and in Ash's universe you don't just go straight to fight the Elite 4; you have to fight several other trainers of varying experience, strength, and battle knowledge.
And let's face it; neither are as great as they are made out from the fandom. Red has skill, but he lacks personality. Silent protagonists are cool when done well (eg. Claude from GTA III), but there really wasn't much going with Red aside from being a caricature of the player. Even in Origins, his character wasn't much other than being the typical Pokemon trainer aiming to be a master (then again, that is mostly due to the fault of the pacing). As for Ash, he has the heart and humor, but he lacks consistency. One saga he's all hot stuff, then next region he gets a mind reset. He mostly suffers from a case of bad writing and plot armor.
And yeah, maybe Manga Red might be the superior, but let's be honest; how much of the Pokemon fandom actually reads the manga?
Red isn't even a real character. It's just "Ash". "Red" is based on the player character from Yellow, and Yellow was RBG with anime influence. So you are literally taking Ash, crossing him with Ash, and calling him a color. No retard, it's just another form of Ash.
Blake Brooks
That's exactly what the user is saying, that this is an ashfag cope thread
Evan Roberts
Crazy how many regions Ash needs to go through just to match what Red does in 1 league seasom.
Cameron Powell
PokeSpecial Red> Game Red> Ash
Sebastian Peterson
Honestly, the fact that they made being mute and emotionless a character trait of Red is what I actually like about him since it makes him incredibly unique. He is literally the only player character whose default pose is frowning and even in Gen 1 art it's a cocky grin rather than the more genuine smiles all player characters after him have. But even aside from Pokemon, having a mute frowning character being the protagonist is rare, let alone the mute frowning character being the first of the franchise. And of an otherwise upbeat happy-go-lucky kid's franchise where all future main characters all have huge smiles to boot. He's got to be one of if not the only first playable character of a light-hearted franchise whose characterization is a mute brooder.
Robert Sanchez
I'm not even coping for the guy. Well, I used to, but the anime is really just nothing but a marketing tool for the games. Both characters are pretty bad if you ask me.
Jack Cooper
Yeah, but he isn't that different from the other gaming protagonists either.
Nolan Kelly
Anyways instead of just roasting me, why don't you defend red as a fanboy?
Ian Price
And who did you play as in RBG...?
Jacob Robinson
>imagine being so butthurt by autists arguing about something years ago that you write a novel about it Go back.
>and in Ash's universe you don't just go straight to fight the Elite 4; you have to fight several other trainers of varying experience, strength, and battle knowledge. Victory Road. And ash lost that tournament, against trainers weaker than the Elite 4, every single time.
Mason Taylor
Good point with the Victory Road, but the champion tournament was organized and ruled by officials.
>>weaker trainers every single time Tobias had mythical Pokemon on his team. And Alain fought ten in a row, one of whom was an Elite Four member. But yeah, Cameron was total bull.
Kayden Myers
>Tobias I've hated Ash since season 1 episode 1 and even I thought that was bullshit. It made no sense to me that some literally who tryhard was able to get mythicals on his team, while Ash the legendary magnet didn't. I always thought that if Ash were going to win a league and become a champion, it would be thanks to his supernatural ability to bond with pokemon easier than most. It would work to his strengths and show that even though he's clearly not as smart or as talented as other trainers, his heart(and aura bullshit) outshines them all to the point even demigods are willing to follow him.
