Blissey is broken in competitive pokemon. Due to it's enormous HP and it's gargantuan special defense Blissey practically walls 90% of special attackers in the game. And those that can somehow deal with Blissey are either running a set that specially tailored to deal with it, I.e Magma storm heatran who's only use is stopping defensively broken pokemon like Blissey and Toxapex. Or are banned, Kyurem being the best example of this, And even then it had to rely on focus blast, Blissey's walling capabilities are so influential that I'd argue that most special attackers that don't have a way to deal with it are completely useless. Let's look at OU's special attackers for a moment here
Blacephelon has trick(A move with limited distribution)
Dragapult(Access to U-turn allowing it to dodge the blissey match up)
Heatran(Forced to run Magma storm+Taunt+Toxic just to beat blissey one on one, Magma storm's 75% accuracy is also unreliable)
Slowking-G(Blissey walls it, forced to switch out)
Tornadus-T(Has to use knock off on the switch and whittle it down overtime with the help of teammates)
Tapu Lele(Has to run Psyshock over psychic which can hurt in some other match ups, because hitting blissey physically is far more valuable.)
Zapdos(Has access to volt switch to dodge the blissey matchup)
Blissey has access to teleport making it an amazing pivot on top of being the best special wall in the game. Has access to rocks and if all of this wasn't enough it even has access to two amazing abilities in natural cure and serene grace. One of which allows you to prevent it from getting whittled down overtime by just switching out.
Let's talk Blissey
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>Somehow Deal with blissey
>252+ Atk Life Orb Kartana Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 653-769 (91.4 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Just switch to a physical attacker lmaooo 5head
I would simply switch to a physical attacker
>252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 1068-1256 (149.5 - 175.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 658-775 (92.1 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
>Completely walled by Leech Seed Ferrothorn, who also can do this
>0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 222-262 (31 - 36.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leech Seed damage
It's the only Johtomon in OU besides Tyranitar and you want to ban it? Why do you hate Johto?
The real question is: what's the proper way to use Blissey?
Any special attacker with base 100+ HP and Substitute can use it as setup bait
Read closely, It was talking about Special attackers in particular.
And even in the case of Physical attackers, You seem to forget that Blissey also has teammates and 5 of them. Including Toxapex who practically walls most Blissey checks because they have to be careful on the switch otherwise blissey statuses them with Twave or toxic. and even this
>Completely walled by ferrothorn
isn't accurate because blissey has got such a retarded movepool you could simply slot in flamethrower instead of a status move, Is it a retarded idea, Of course, but then ferro can't wall it anymore, and Kartana gets smashed on the switch.
0 SpA Blissey Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Ferrothorn: 180-216 (51.1 - 61.3%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>Flamethrower Blissey
>smogon.com
Not even a 2% chance of getting it.
That doesn't mean it's bad, And again you said it was completely walled by ferrothorn and I provided a counter argument against that notion.
You seem to forget that Ferrothorn also has teammates and 5 of them.
>Remove Rocks or Status from Blissey
>Flamethrower vs Heatran
Here, your whole thesis is wrong again.
>That doesn't mean it's bad,
It does actually mean that it fucking sucks lol. Why would you put Flamethrower on Blissey before ANYTHING mentioned on the list below
| Soft-Boiled 97.511% |
| Seismic Toss 95.998% |
| Toxic 85.892% |
| Stealth Rock 76.971% |
| Teleport 16.426% |
| Thunder Wave 6.990% |
| Heal Bell 6.745%
I used Blissey in my last Platinum playthrough. It was terrible and died in one hit pretty much every time. Decently strong though and learns all kinds of moves. Solid 3/10.
Cool heatran still has to run 3 specific moves in magma storm-taunt-toxic to beat blissey one on one, Otherwise blissey simply heals the damage heatran dishes out, thanks to natural cure + soft boiled and eventually beats it with seismic toss. And Magma storm only having 75% accuracy makes it pretty unreliable in it's own right, Plus you also have to successfully connect with blissey. And then you have to hope the blissey player actually stays in to get hit by the magma storm to begin with.
>Toxic
>Switch Out to anything that isn't a 90-10 matchup for Bliss
>You don't have Heal Bell but you have big dimes Flamethrower
>Eventually you'll have to Switch out Blissey, not because the pokemon that its facing is a threat but because you cannot get rid of the badly poisoned status because you are a retard and gave the fat pink blob Flamethrower
>Nor you can make a smart Teleport switch because you have Flamethrower
If you want to get into specific situations, Flamethrower fucks you so hard that you can't even conceive why in the name of hell you gave it the move in the first place.
Flamethrower gives it the ability to actually threaten ferrothorn. Not getting hard countered by one of the best mons in the tier is a pretty valid reason to run a move plus you can also beat Kartana as well so it's not like it's the absolute worst move you could run on blissey. The reason it's not ran more often is because the other moves are more consistent and they choose to have a worse match up against ferrothorn overall.
Because having a better matchup into Ferrothorn or Kartana should never be Blissey's problem. This is just a misunderstanding of team building basics.
>0 SpA Blissey Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 180-216 (51.1 - 61.3%) -- 85.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery and Leech Seed recovery
>252+ Atk Heatmor Coaching vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 554-654 (105.7 - 124.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252 Atk Life Orb Kartana Helping Hand Power Spot boosted Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Gastrodon: 2610-3078 (612.6 - 722.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ferrothorn is slower than blissey so it loses 9/10 in that instance.
Blissey luring in Ferrothorn gives you a much easier time against it and let's mons that are otherwise walled by it to have an easier time breaking it. A lure set can work wonders. Flamethrower also hits specific mons harder than seismic toss like corviknight which could force it to roost allowing a free switch for you.
user, you're still not seeing the problem with Flamethrower Blissey. You are crippling Blissey in order to get the edge in some matchups (Who are all really destroyed by one of Bliss most common teammates: Zapdos)
It's not optimal, it's not good. It doesn't work wonders, it's a low-reward retarded-risk move.