>Gym Leaders have to adjust their Pokemon teams to meet the skill of the challenger Why was this piece of "lore" so celebrated? I hate it. Gym Leaders are supposed to be a challenge for trainers to overcome. They shouldn't be bended their knees to every challenger that works into the door.
The levels in the game are just reflection of the skill level of trainers. Brock's mons are the weakest because Brock is the weakest.
Not that it matters, because it's clearly not canon. You can skip Brawly in Emerald until you have 3 other badges- his team doesnt change. This has never truly been canon in any case other than BW2
Because Pokemon trainers come from all over. Not everyone starts in the same town you do. So Gym Leaders need different Pokemon for challengers with different numbers of badges.
Aiden Robinson
Gym Leaders are heavily implied to not use their actual teams against you when you challenge them. For instance, Nessa uses a male Drednaw against you in the gym but her actual partner Drednaw which she uses in her serious battles is female. And in UM, Nanu even confirms that he used a level of power roughly equivalent to Acerola’s and other Trial Captains when you participate in the final trial.
Angel Price
Are you actually retarded? Did your stupid ass really think that gym leaders were running around with 2 level 8 geodudes as their real team? Fucking retard
Bentley Watson
>Gym Leaders are supposed to be a challenge for trainers to overcome.
Yes. Which is exactly WHY they adjust their teams based on the number of badges a trainer has. Their job is to test and challenge trainers.
Kevin Fisher
>This has never truly been canon in any case other than BW2 It's been true in every game with gym rematches. Unless you think every beginner in Sinnoh needs to start by beating Roark's Tyranitar.
Isaac Bell
Because the world wouldn't make sense otherwise. Let's say Brock's team is at lv. 14. A literal who random trainer a few routes later has lv. 25 pokemon. Why isn't he a Gym Leader since he's clearly stronger than Brock? It doesn't make sense. With this lore, we can assume that Brock is one of the strongest trainers in Kanto and he's just using low level pokemon against (You) because you're a a beginner.
Ian Baker
Why does this matter? The gym leader shouldn't be forced to accommodate to the weak trainer, the weak trainer should overcome the gym leader as part of the league challenge. That's what the OP is saying and it's already been confirmed in lore anyway
Jason Peterson
Right, so why don't they "test and challenge trainers" by not fucking babying them? Levels aren't canon beyond a few reference points. Unless you really think Red's team in USUM somehow decreased in level from HGSS when that's literally impossible.
Just because they're using deliberately weaker pokemon based on their opponent's skill level doesn't mean they aren't making it achallenge for them, retard. If you were fighting a master black belt, except they wrapped their fists in pillows as a handicap, do you still think they wouldn't beat your ass? Your chance of winning would be better, but it'd still be hard.
Besides, at the end of the day, Pokemon GYMS are GYMS. As in, they're meant to be places where you train, learn, and grow. They're designed for people to struggle against but ultimately win, typically after suffering multiple losses so they learn and adapt. A gym leader is someone who's skilled enough to win against their opponents while holding back, not fucking flat out steamroll people.
Adam Collins
>Gym Leaders are supposed to be a challenge for trainers to overcome. There's a challenge and there's making a 10 yo kid who has began his adventure fight a gym leader with a PWT-tier team
Anthony Murphy
>The gym leader shouldn't be forced to accommodate to the weak trainer
That's literally what Gym Leaders are appointed by the Pokemon League to do.
>the weak trainer should overcome the gym leader as part of the league challenge.
Let's say a trainer starts their Journey near Opelucid City. A new trainer with zero badges has no hope of beating beating Drayden's Haxorus, Altaria, or Flygon, so he'd use an Axew, Swablu, and Trapinch instead.
Gavin Hughes
>Not understanding how worldbuilding works
Do you think that all that happens in the game is literal? Like, when an NPC tells you "press start to open menu"?
Obviously GYM leaders are top trainers that always pick a team adapted to their opponents. There are several times of that being said, not only in the BW2 trailer but from other media that take Games canon like Origins. Other prove of this are rematches in the games itselves
There is no implied "canon order" of the badges in the regions, that's just a game desing decision
Eli Nguyen
>There is no implied "canon order" of the badges in the regions, that's just a game desing decision
The exception being Galar, where it's stated in-game that all challengers must face the Gym Leaders in order from the weakest (Milo) to strongest (Raihan), which is why everyone gathers in Motostoke for the opening ceremony.
Jose Harris
I assume the idea is that every gym is supposed to be equal in challenge. Maybe it doesnt happen that way, but that should be the goal I think.
Wyatt Rogers
"Levels" dont actually exsist in the game world and are just a game mechanic version of strength. Brock's Geodude isn't Level 8, but its level is symbolic of how strong his Geodude is.
Landon Fisher
This first paragraph is completely irrelevant. If I participated in a tournament for determining the strongest karateka and one of the examiners wanted to test my eligibility by handicapping himself heavily then clearly they're lowering the bar for entry arbitrarily. A gym leader's job is not to teach, it's to be a challenge. >Pokemon GYMS are GYMS Right, which is why they're built up like gauntlets with puzzles to solve and people are encouraged to challenge them. Totally just a place to hang out with the bros. >are appointed Yes, and it's stupid. Why let in people who are clearly weak? Why accomodate them? >A new trainer with zero badges has no hope Okay, then go out into the wild and train until you are strong enough. Why should they have to cater to some shitters.
Parker Rodriguez
Yeah, and against a trainer with seven badges, Brock's not going to use a Geodude, he's going to use stronger Pokemon like Golem, Omastar, and Kabutops.
Levi Sanders
This is exactly OP's point. Why let weaker trainers steamroll you just cause they have no badges? Gym Challenges are supposed to be for the best trainers in the region. If everyone can just stroll up to any gym at any time and have their needs catered, whats the point of the challenge anyway?
Hudson Rodriguez
>Gym Leaders are supposed to be a challenge for trainers to overcome. Exactly, which is why they adjust their teams accordingly. Not every trainer has the same amount of badges and strategy. If a gym leader can't adapt to each potential strength level to be as big of a challenge to Joey's rattata to Blue's Blastoise, what is the point of them being gym leaders? >Not that it matters, because it's clearly not canon. You can skip Brawly in Emerald until you have 3 other badges- his team doesnt change. This has never truly been canon in any case other than BW2 I chalk it up to classic GameFreak oversights; they expect you to do gyms in order, and in later entries they railroad it HARD.
Blake Howard
>Why should they have to cater to some shitters.
Because that's literally their job, to test/challenge new trainers, and prepare them for tougher opponent. The Pokemon League appoints them to test new trainers and prepare them for tougher challenges like the Elite Four.
Elijah Edwards
>what is the point of them being gym leaders? The point of them being gym leaders is that they're part of the strongest trainers in the region. There's nothing in that description that says they should have to willingly bend themselves over backwards for people who want to fight them. That sounds hilariously embarrassing and humiliating. If Jimmy can't beat your strong fully evolved team of 6, then he should come back when he's capable of doing so, that's what should be expected of a competition meant to determine the strongest trainer in the region.
James Gonzalez
>gym leaders are supposed to be a challenge for newcomers so it makes no sense they adjust they team in order to be a challenge to them, rather than go all out and completely destroy any trainer who isn't a seasoned veteran!
then why appoint shitters like Whitney who cries when she loses and Claire who is so in disbelief that she makes you go explore her cave
Julian Cox
The Pokemon League has to accommodate for the fact that not every trainer starts in the same place. You can't expect a trainer from Sootoplis to travel all the way to Rustboro for their first gym battle. There is no set order for gyms, trainers start with the gym in/closest to their hometown and go from there, so this is to ensure that each Gym Leader a trainer battles is more difficult than the last regardless of where they started from.
Isaiah Martin
>the strongest trainers in the region should just let any random kid who walks in a chance to beat them because thats the nice thing to do
Angel Nelson
>Yes, and it's stupid. Why let in people who are clearly weak? How are they being let in? You take no issue with a trainer in bumfuck level 2 starter town having their closest gym leader being a cakewalk. A trainer starting in a "late game" down being accommodated by the gym leader so they have a fair shot at winning still only gets one badge and needs to get seven more, from gym leaders that, by the same token, would be adjusting their team upward relative to the power scale you experience in the game, and the end result would be a very similar experience no matter where you begin.
Samuel Brown
>The Pokemon League has to accommodate for the fact that not every trainer starts in the same place. You can't expect a trainer from Sootoplis to travel all the way to Rustboro for their first gym battle.
You're missing the point. The point isn't that there should be a set order of Easier to Harder Gyms. The point is that each gym should be equal in how challenging it is. The gym challenge should be for trainers who are seasoned enough to A) Compete against the best the region has to offer. and B) Can afford to travel across the world seeking out the best the region has to offer.
Amateur trainers can get hired by a gym to train and whatnot or people can train by just battling wild mons or in spin-off tournaments. It doesnt make sense that the best trainers in a given region would lower the bar just to be accessible to amateurs.
Chase Ross
>Gym Challenges are supposed to be for the best trainers in the region. No, that's what the Elite Four and Champion are for, gyms simply prepare you for that
Juan Rogers
>Kid starts in Mahogany Town >Starts with Mareep >Goes to challenge the gym >Pryce with his 60+ years of experience buries him with his strongest Pokemon >Your advice is to train to overcome 60+ years of experience in a sport where you aging doesn't matter because you can always train up young Pokemon
Ryder Moore
Because otherwise it is ridiculous that someone like Brock is held in esteem when some literal who with stronger rock types comes up later, and is not the Pewter City gym leader.
Josiah Rogers
What is all this shit about new trainers? The Pokemon League challenge being kind and nurturing to shitters makes zero fucking sense. It's a sports competition you participate in to determine who the strongest is.
Imagine if in a real life sport they allowed kids to play but placed autistically high handicaps on themselves, like imagine if a major soccer league let a minor league play but the adults couldn't use their legs. That's the level of retarded we're talking about here. Just don't let the kids, and in the Pokemon part of the analogy, the weaklings play, they're irrelevant.
I imagine in-universe for Pokemon it's incredibly insulting for the people who are strong to get held back or forced to walk through baby steps because gym leaders have to have 8 different fucking teams on standby for shitty teenagers who won't all probably even finish the challenge. It's a fucked system through and through.