Is there any real reason they can't revise a bad or mediocre pokemon's stats to a meaningful degree in later games?

Fucking hell Grubbin, chill out, you have 2 more stages.

You encounter Ledyba early and it evolves early because it's supposed to peter off later, so that's not a good monster to represent your point.

> Gen 6 remakes. For a mega.
>Implying it wont be a hyperfaithful outsource to ILCA with zero new content

Early Pokemon, bug, ladybug, it's actually "good" in special defense

But...they gave buffed old mons before.

>Their shittiness serves a perfectly good game design
No it doesn't retard. Having Talonflame or Staraptor be good wasn't a detriment to the games the debut in.

Yes, I'm sure it will make great use of the punches with its powerful base 55 sp.atk.

Yeah, but it's usually only a minimal change. You can up it's attack by 10 points, but Arbok is still kind of shit at the end of the day.

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The Johto syndrome

Don't question Game Freak's decisions.

I've read somewhere that they fucked up and swapped its attack and spdef by accident, is it true or some guy's headcanon?

I don't think so
If you follow the bugmon heirarcy, you'll notice the trends in there stats are the same just swapped around and consistent to their real life counter parts. that being said butterfree and venemoth fill in the special attack roles

that would have been cool

FPBP
Pokemon, espeically back then, was designed primarily to be a singleplayer game, and pvp was tacked on and incidental.

>it's a shitmon because you're only supposed to use it on the first 2 gyms and then box it permanently
What a retarded cope.

Ledian is meant to be a baton passer/screen setter it’s not supposed to fight
>But it sucks even at that
Yeah but in GSC it gets baton pass and screens I think earlier than anything so that’s the thought process around it.

>Stop wanting to make early route mons OP
You're one of those people who say they want to have a Gibble before the second gym while explaining in a 10-page essay on why Ice should be shit.

Or like... a third evolution stage......

I think you're underselling just how shit Ledian is.
It has absolutely nothing going for it.
Beedrill, Butterfree, Beautifly, and Dustox are all awful competitively, but they're at least decent in the early-game, and even have some little pluses. Butterfree destroys Brock if you chose Charmander and gets compound eyes sleep powder shenanigans once abilities exist, Beedrill has the only semi-decent bug move in gen 1, Dustox learns Protect naturally and can be used to cheese Norman's Slaking. And all of them have good stats for the early game considering they're fully evolved at level 10.
Ledian only has a 5 BST advantage over them, and its best stat is special defense, when all but the last 2 gyms are physical types. Keep in mind that Ledyba doesn't evolve until level 18.

I guess Game Freak just wants consistency which is why any time something gets repurposed it's always a new form or it's +10 to a useless stat. This was fine when they were pro-transfer but if cutting shit out is going to be the norm it wouldn't hurt to retool shitmon stats a la SMT.

They did

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IT'S A WHOLE NEW WORLD WE LIVE IN

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They have done this several times, casual cuck.

IT'S A WHOLE NEW WAY TO SEE

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FPBP
Some pokemon are supposed to be weaker so the more experienced players would have interesting mons to use in game

Emphasis on was.
Every pokemon should have some kind of niche in competitive nowadays. It doesn't have to be super good, just at least passable in some roles or situations.

I bet they were laughing their asses off when they programmed its HA to be Iron Fist

>Some pokemon are supposed to be weaker so the more experienced players can avoid them like, and everyone elase can laugh about how shit it is and use it as evicnede for Gen 2 being the "worst", and Game Freak can continue to neglect them to the point whre they literaly end up erased from the fucking franchise and shills use it as a straw man by saying "it was shit so it deserved to be cut"

Fixed it for you, no one uses shitmons, no one likes shitmons. A Ledian isn't even a case were it got fucked over by powercreep like most Johto Pokemon. it's genuinely worthless.
And Orbeetle's existence proves Game Freak hates it.

Mediocre stats, even incineroar is better
Because incineroar exists

Because then it would take the spotlight from Cinderace away.

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It's legitimately insane how hard they cucked Ledian here.
Every single one of Orbeetle's stats is higher. Some only by 5 or 10 points, which I assume was just to add insult to injury.

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>In battle, it throws punches with all four arms. The power of each individual blow is piddly, so it aims to win by quantity rather than quality.
Ledian is a literal canonical shitmon, that's why it's so bad.

They boosted stats of older Pokémon before, like making Pidgeot slightly faster

You're never going to use Ledian offensively, you're using it exclusively for Dual Screens and Supersonic until it becomes too shit to use outright, then you wait until Meganium can Dual Screens if you picked it, or get a Mr. Mime from Kanto.

>reddit meme
thank god the incomplete psychic line is mogged by incineroar.

There's even more insult to the fact that even DOTTLER outclasses Ledian in campaign viability.
Evolves far sooner at Level 10, easier to raise up to that point thanks to 3D Era EXP Distribution, has a surprisingly capable moveset haul of Struggle Bug, Confusion, Light Screen and Reflect, good defensive stats for that stage of the game, and while its speed is lacking, it's ultimately capable of layering defenses and drastically wearing down Special Attackers with Struggle Bug spam, a solid asset against Milo and good support for Nessa.

comparing a final stage by a middle stage is stupid

They're only eight levels apart in evolution, have largely-similar stat spreads, and both fulfill the role of "regional bug".
The point is that they're both supposed to be earlygame assets that bring support to your budding team, but ultimately Dottler does the job far better than Ledian ever could, and Ledian falls off just as Dottler becomes even better as Orbeetle.

I don't get it, isn't the point of early route bugs supposed to be that they're very good earlygame, yet fall off once everything else begins to evolve? Then why do gen 2's early bugs suck forever?

Becaue Game Freak hates the Kansai region that Johto is based off of.

Ledian and Ariados are so bad you can't even use them in in-game battles without over-leveling them.

Also, Sceptile needs to have its special attack switched with its attack. It's obvious that it was designed as a physical attacker but Game Freak also wanted it to be good in gen 3 for some reason when they seemingly never gave a shit about most pokemon's performance.

It's only stupid if the middle stage is weaker than the final stage, because that's obviously the case most of the time.
If a final stage mon is weaker than a middle stage mon, that's kind of notable.

The Johto curse

and both falls under incineroar's better power

At least Ariados got a stat boost and a new signature move. All Ledian got in the meantime was a rotom dex entry focusing on how pitifully weak it is.

Holy shit you’re in every thread, I shudder at the thought of what your cinderace body pillow probably looks like.