Layer 1 Cryptos

ROSE ONE AND KLEROS WILL REIGN SUPREME.

In the next 3+ years run only decentralised protocols will survive, not only due to muh ideals but because L1s are pivoting to horizontal (As of borrowing validators main main pool/protocol, meaning large set of validators within the pool/protocol are required in order to make the architecture work) and settlement for zkRollups.

The only L1s that are in the game for Rollups settlement (Basically the only protocols that optimize for decentralisation):
>Ethereum
>Avalanche
>Cardano (Yeah it has many negatives, But the protocol network effect is strong).

The only L1s that are in the game for Horizontal scaling are:
>Cosmos
>Polkadot
>Avalanche
>*Supposedly Polygon and BSC too but not in practice

In the meantime protocols that'll be able to improve the protocol scaling ability as monolithic might get a huge boost, Tho thus far in the last couple of years i can't recall a decent improvement bar Avalanche consensus desu, Maybe ETH improvement to Geth? Fast sync? Mina succinctness? The holy grail is state bloat and consensus isn't the bottleneck there anyway.

Solana is solid but play a difficult game in the long run imo.

Cardano somehow survived since like 2017 with no smart contracts

Avax seems to have a decent community

Beyond that probably not

Aleph Zero

>consensus isn't the bottleneck

*consensus isn't the main bottleneck

Fantom will bootyblast both of these shit blockchains

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>no mention of Harmony
Retards

yeah Tezos. Tezos is more adoopted by companies than solana, cardano, polkadot, and avax and hedera. Tezos will easily survive and its becoming the official blockchain of France as we speak. Easy trillion dollar mcap for Tezos long term.

i plan on buying a small chia bag over the next year or so

A new PwC report says that Tezos is adopted by more than 200 companies in France alone. Most of them real estate compaines and such.

Delete this, they don't need to know.

Overall do you feel confident in what AVAX brings?

how many coins on your layer 1 crypto chart are still around from last market cycle?

next market cycle is years off who knows what coins exist then. something faster and more decentralized then solana? something less gay then hashgraph? a proof of work smart contract chain with more development then kda. who knows. but back in 2017 it was a different set of L1s and many of them never achieved their previous all time highs or got much above that.

because they're all trying to be the new hotness. eth is just trying to be the most established and it only becomes more established with age

the highest this shit will go is like 10 bucks

Ada

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realistically how high can we go?

they're delaying their merge on purpose to time their developments with the market cycle. if we were in an extended bull market cycle right now it probably would have merged already. i like this about eth they have good timing. all they need to do is decide "oh this needs more testing" and "some more development over here and over there" and string it along until the time is ripe. why the fuck would they merge while the markets are crashing or crabbing? they wouldn't

Tezos is more adopted and has more diverse usecases than; Solana, Carano, Avax, Fantom, Cosmos, Hedera, Elrond, Near, Algorand, Polkadot and all the others as well. Tezos has already won, the numbers dont lie.

Red Bull, Coca Cola, Ubisoft, IKEA, Mclaren, Emirates Group, GAP, UBS, State Street, World economic forum, KIA, Credit Suisse, Adobe, Societe generale, Sygnum, Puma, AC Milan, Groupe Casino, BNP Paribas, BTG Pactual, EDF (Exaion), United Nations, Red Cross, French Millitary, Reno Nevada, Envited group (BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche), National Police of Korea, Renault, Swiss and french local governments, Electis, Microsoft India, DraperGorenHolm, Credit Agricole, Cdiscount, Spar, Extra, Inacta, Incore bank, Bitcoin Suisse, ID2020, Bosch, Pwc, Deloitte, Deutsche Bahn, Siemens, SK Telecom, GM motor, Rakuten, MVL, Samunnati, Hindalco, Norwegian refugee council, OneOf, Virtualware, Augmented reality company, vyyking, DB, Gucci, Mike shinoda, Doja cat, G eazy, Chief Keef, The Game, Whitney Houston, Imdea software, Alesso, Guerlain, Grammy Awards, French police, several French towns use Electis, Swiss companies and towns, Iscan.com, HDFC capital, Ethical toy program, EVE online, University of Cambridge, Nasscom, Nomadic Labs, IMDEA Software, Dogami

Wakam, Vertalo, Tzero, Tokensoft, Fundament, Baanx, Dealbox, Alliance Investment, Elevated returns, Dalma capital, Andra capital, Securitize, Globacap, Equisafe, REI Capital, Societe generale, fireblocks, Block0, Christies, Art Basel, Arab bank Switzerland, QR capital, Polytechnique, capgemini, DigitalMango, MyLoby, Edith & Nous, ShuttleOne, FutureSense, Baloti, Elvinger Hoss, Hexa solutions, Pitbull, Unsplash, French atomic energy commission, Edukera, Pantone, Team Vitality, LucidPay, LA DCF, ETC group, Warner Music Group, Atlantic Records, FloSports, ManchesterUnited, Cleveland Cavaliers, Misfits Gaming, Papa Johns, LVMH, Tangany, Kontera, EvianWater, Decathlon, Delubac & Cie, Klub Kozmik, University of Kyoto.

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Oh look, stability.

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and they don't blow their whole wad at once either. next bull market will be the merge. then they will hold off on sharding until the bull run after that. this market cycle they had the burn mechanism narrative of eip1559 that was hyped up and mooned the coin.

I really don't understand why the 2022 market would behave the same as the 2017 one. The market has jumped from the 1700s to the 2000s in terms of tech and maturity.

It’s Hedera

chia has the green meme going but i want to see them go public first and follow what their white paper says
smart contracts in LISP is pretty cool too

Solana yes
Avalanche maybe

Hahaha cardano is one of the oldest ones. It will never be useful. Imagine feeling inspired by Charles. Super low iq love him though.

I am going to skip meals to buy all the KDA I can manage without my spouse knowing.
I am dead serious, I will not miss this second opportunity to accumulate at least 1k KDA but ideally far more.

ETH
DOT
ATOM

bullish in those three, also i'm bagholding KDA because i'm retarded

Anyone have thoughts on Zilliqa? I'm staking a small bag.

Isn't it a L2?

Tezos and Ergo are the only ones that matter. 130+IQ knowledge

Checked.

I'm looking forward on Otto blockchain for this. It's a layer1 blockchain, a PoS based on substrate and is socially responsible and resolves regulatory and security challenges. Let's see.

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Seriously though, what is wrong with elrond? Why wouldn't people use it?

>he doesn't know about Velas, Aleph, and Aioz

NGMI

Kda is dead moron. Buy something with real utility that is unique

It’s all garbage
BTC is the only one that will survive

ICP will survive

Ftm survived one bear market and thrived. It'll do it again.

From my understanding the devs are still toiling away on it. Kaddex is dead on arrival. KDA will be fine by virtue of being literally the only other POW L1 worth a damn.

ICP is ahead of it's time, just wait till they open up the network to normies without internet identities

i hold a significant amount of chia and will be acquiring plenty more over the next several months

Has Cardano added anything in the past year?
I kinda like the others except Solana rebooting or going down or whatever is kinda funny.

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Actually more, but I'm ok with $10 I'm already earning 5 algos /day just with governance

You should try Terra UST, I heard you can get 20% APR.

same. Chia might end up being worth nothing, but I'll know its because they made a good faith effort and failed. They don't give a shit about "adoption" at this point, don't try to generate hype, and seem to be a legit project.

Nope, have used it and it sucks my balls

However I have like 10 AVAX that I will baghold until I make a profit

It's just 8% nigger from a limited supply already minted that will... Bah just buy some coin from op pic not gonna waste my time.

Hedera doesn't belong with these other shitcoins
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Kadena ticker:KDA all the way baby

I feel like there's a good amount of layer 1s trying to claim the carbon credit verification market right now, so there isn't a defacto owner of that space yet

Attention anyone reading this thread, this thread is a subtle chia shill thread. There is a crazy delusional mentally ill chia schizo on Any Forums who sometimes makes threads, the threads where he directly shills chia get 0 replies so he has resorted to these more subtle shill threads. All 5 of these posters are him switching IDs, be warned. It is a premined Jewish scam coin made by a guy named Cohen that will go to 0.

I'm too lazy to use a VPN user and my mobile IP range is banned on Any Forums

HEDERA IS THE ECO-FRIENDLY COIN OF THE FUTURE

Genuinely curious why you say that. It's so fast, altho shitty metamask does gum things up a bit.

Yes Everest's Everchain + fully licensed and regulated fiat stable coins will make Luna look like child's play

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>glory to ALGORAND
I hold a ton of SOL, but yeah, you're right. It would take a nuclear holocaust to kill ALGO.

and even then Silvio would have probably already launched a satellite with some Turing-award winning blockchain shit on it.

>Buys $10,000 worth of ALGO
>ALGO goes up 20x
>Has $200,000
>Collects 6-10% from governance annually
>Collects $12k - $20k per year (without compounding)
>Globohomo coin + ISO20022 approved.
>Comfy

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>a guy named cohen
who invented the bittorrent protocol
don't leave that part out

> laughs in pulsechain

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how does avalanche scale?
It has a high troughput but once that's inevitable reached how do they plan to scale?

>layer 1 thread
>no vechain
love it or hate it it's not going anywhere and has both the regulatory compliance and scalability to actually deliver as a product, only problem is they're shady chinks

It's extremely poorly coded, not an accomplishment at all. He's a terrible software dev, ETH on the other hand has all the most talented devs AND has already won the L1 war.

The only correct answer in this thread

The theoretical limit for TPS with signature verification is ~9000TPS for current i7 validator specs. As gleaned from the devs their plan is in this general order for C-Chain specifically:
>Fast Sync
>State management improvements through pruning enabling higher gas limit
>Improvements to EVM via precompiles, eliminating POW merkle crap, JIT compilation, etc.

More generally though, if an app really has a ton of volume it would be moved to its own subnet where it has a subset of the mainnet's validators validating the subnet. Each subnet can have multiple chains with different VMs so the subnet could be more general or completely app specific for max throughput. If even higher throughput is necessary then a subnet could require higher validators reqs that can do signature validation faster. At the time of the whitepaper avalanche consensus could do ~20k TPS without signature verifications, so that's kind of an upper bound but may be higher now with optimizations. If ALL that fails, then rollups still are an option and they will likely be more robust by the time that would actually be necessary.

Last year they released NFTs and smart contracts. Next month is vasil hard fork which introduces input endorsers and pipelining.

did you see chia's price action since it went up for trade? cohen is correct.

ETH will switch to proof of stake so it won't be decentralized anymore
>It's extremely poorly coded, not an accomplishment at all
this is cope, everyone uses bittorrent

yeah it's shit but the market has been shit overall and it's still in the early stages
I mined some before and stopped now but I won't invest big in it until the bear market ends and they go public and follow through with what they said in their white paper

Looking at Cardano and whose involved it just screams Spook coin and it's obvious they are using an EEE strategy.
Im all in.

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I'm starting to notice that only ETH, AVAX, and KDA baggies post technical information.
I think there must be some kind of IQ/autism power gap between those 3 and the rest of the L1 clown show.
Anyone notice this too?

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They won't ever go public, the coin will be worth $1 in the bear market and they won't be able to IPO. Its over.

Based

These are what I hodl and I have made it a habit to buy every month despite the market condition. Buy, hodl, and stake on cometh swap for passive income is my plan atm.

> no FTM

Fantom was well on its way to a top 10 project last year before all of the market fuckery began, even now it’s came out of the bottom swinging. You’d be a fucking idiot not to buy a suicide stack now whilst it’s sub $1

>The only L1s that are in the game for Horizontal scaling are:
Nigger
medium.com/kadena-io/how-to-scale-a-proof-of-work-blockchain-9233e5b4b62

polkadot will come out on top

you are insufferable Charles

I've tried numerous times to explain to you trannies that Kadena isn't horizontal scaling. In fact it isn't even sharding. Let me explain.

Chainweb's security relies on economic incentives for miners to mine every chain in the chainweb. So what does that mean? well if every miner is mining on every chain then that means that every miner has a copy of every chain meaning every miner is holding onto the exact same copy of the entire Kadena network. This is called partitioning. Kadena devs are flat out lying when they call this sharding, it's partitioning since every miner has the same set of KDA network data. When I bring this up KDA trannies always say "well not every miner has to mine every chain", but when I bring up security problems they say "every miner will mine every chain." It's frustrating to deal with these types, the types of people that can believe in two opposing things at the same time, the type of people that think a woman can have a penis and still be a woman. You can't win with these people.

>anons still fading on Avalanche

thank you for this post

Polkachads rise up.

Because those are the only L1 chains worth a damn. I hold ETH and KDA, and I strongly believe that KDA will come out on top by sheer virtue of being the only one that can truly scale. But I do admire Emin for being transparent and innovative (unlike Charles Hodkinson, fat balding cunt scammer), albeit his efforts will meet a dead end soon. PoS will only triumph if the industry adopts the globohomo mantra of “muh energy consumption” and accepts digital feudalism willingly, but I dont see it happening.

That being said, my Kadena stays babena.

VET will be the best

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I might actually buy some pos coins also considering how gay the world is pow getting banned for the sake of the enviorment would not suprise me

You are retarded, completely missing the point of Chainweb here.

>Hashgraph
>L1
Loosely maybe. It's not entirely accurate but yeah, if you want.

I hold ETH and AVAX. I enjoy fudding KDA because the holders seem pretty smart and usually have well thought out replies.

>I do admire Emin for being transparent and innovative
don't forget handsome

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Terra looks promising

To explain, every miner is incentivized to mine all chains, they don't have too however, there are a number of good reason why a miner might NOT want to mine all chains, something which is even explained in the white paper that the retard didn't even bother reading.
Here is the main point of Chainweb though, the thing that retard user tries so desperately not to understand.
Chainweb allows you to split up your nodes.
The main problem with big blocks is that one node simply will never be strong enough to support the load. Bur multiple nodes, physically seperated, located in multiple places, coming together to form one single node. This is what allows Chainweb to actually scale.
If it was just big blocks like the anons said it would hold true, and clearly he does understand it to a point, but he apparently doesn't care about the main innovation that makes Chainweb so unique among all L1s.
To scale any network you need resources and Chainweb allows for those resources to continually scale the network, this does not work for Solana for example, you can't just throw more resources at Solana and have it scale, but you can with Kadena.
This user also claims he has debated this with kda holders, which I can attest too, in those same threads however he was explained why he was wrong ad nauseam.
Yet here he is, still posting the same nonsense.
and retards like fall for it every time
PoW ban will never happen it's ridiculous

l-literally all of them will be wiped out except chia and kadena

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Emin is a shady salesman who managed to convince retards to buy into the only L1 which doesn't even solve one of the 3 problems.
It doesn't scale.
It's not decentralized.
and thereby not secure.

Not even one, only sacrifices with no gain.
Well, at least its fast right? that's the big problem of Blockchains, Speed.
Oh what now, to be useful it needs to be sub 30ms? well, how fast is avax again? not fast enough it seems

CFX Conflux is also a PoW smart contract chain

One miner can mine every chain but on different computers thus fulfilling your "one miner" from perspective of the rest of network is in fact mining every chain but is achtually using a farm of computers with gpus to mine each one on their own and of course the miner trusts its own computers and will not need to make each computer mine what the other already has mined

Emin scammed by confusing the X chain with the EVM fork chain which still only has 15tps just like other geth forks

>It doesn't scale.
settlement layer scaling up to 9000 TPS with state pruning EVM optimizations(higher with better VMs, real bottleneck is state bloat), horizontal scaling with subnets, vertical scaling with L2 solutions we are going to steal from ETH(one of the nice bonuses of porting EVM, not that KDA would know lmao)
also all these scaling factors are multiplicative
>It's not decentralized.
Nakamoto coefficient of 32, highest amongst POS contract chains even ETH's beacon POS only sits at NC = 16
>and thereby not secure.
lmao, not what security means in the trilemma, but false nonetheless even with your incorrectly chosen criteria as I disproved your first two claims

>But multiple nodes, physically separated, located in multiple places, coming together to form one single node.
congrats, you've reinvented the mining pool. Nothing KDA does addresses the real scaling issue which is state bloat. It sounds like KDA boomer devs really are stuck in 2016 because they haven't moved on from sharding and POW vs POS. Every other crypto is moving towards POS and multichain, KDA never got the memo I guess? I recommend scrapping chainweb and focus on developing Pact, maybe throw it on a subnet and then you'll have something worth using.

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>state bloat
neither ETH nor AVAX has any solutions even on the horizon for this problem

you are clueless man
benchmark showed X-chain does 4500 TPS and that was a conservative estimated like 2 years ago before any optimizations and assuming desktop specs node hardware. C-chain was 1500TPS, slower, but not 15TPS. These benchmarks are represent what AVAX can do if gas fees were set to 0 and everyone spammed the chain.

State bloat is the real bottleneck for scaling, all decentralized chains control this with block size limits, or with AVAX it's an algorithm that controls gas fees to disincentive spam.

babena

AVAX is working on super-pruning and ETH devs are working on a ton of stuff that AVAX can steal
I can't argue with that

Charles seems to annoy 99% of humans, but ADA will plod on.
AVAX will probably survive.
The rest ... POOP_EMOJI

>congrats, you've reinvented the mining pool.
Physically splitting up nodes is a pool? Avax will never be able to handle the load of the entire world if it doesn't allow for sharding of node state.
>haven't moved on from sharding and POW
lol
> Every other crypto is moving towards POS and multichain
Kda is multichain, it's the multichain project that works the best. Semantics.
Also imagine liking PoS.
>scaling up to 9000 TPS
Solana has proven that you can only scale a single chain so much, this mean at best avax can do 500 tps

Subnets are a grift

>Nothing KDA does addresses the real scaling issue which is state bloat.
Sharding doesn't address state bloat.
Oh fuck user, might go and call google ASAP and tell them that their solution actually doesn't address their problem! quick, you need to tell them
>super pruning
lmao, fucking lmao, what is an immutable ledger again? avax isn't crypto.

Obligatory

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Hedera will be the number 1
Keep coping and seething

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QANplatform, Near

>because sqlana doesn't do tps, then neither does avax, so I'll invent a random number and go with it!
You subhumans are pathetic.

>sharding, multi-chain, semantics
maybe we disagree on terms here, yes KDA is technically multi-chain in that each so-called "shard" is a chain. The problem I have with it is that when devs explain how there is shared security they say it's a partitioned network, but when they say it's scalable they turn around and say it's not partitioned and that it's actually sharded. It's either one or the other, you can't have both.

>Also imagine liking PoS.
I do like PoS, just as good as PoW but without leeching value in the form of energy costs. Forcing miners to sell to sustain themselves is not actually a feature. I don't see either PoS vs PoW being that important, but the consensus after years of debate is that PoS is simply better. Also AVAX subnets can adopt PoW if they really want to for some reason. It's very flexible.

>muh immutable ledger
there is no functional difference between a ledger and the UTXO of that ledger. Only reason to keep the archive is in case of the longest chain rule coming into play and AVAX doesn't even have to worry about that since Avalanche finality is absolute and not probabilistic like Nakamoto's.

true. i mined it at first and got lucky with a block (2 CHIA) i sold late around 200$. not sure if i'll go back into this. it has a ICP chart and I should have sold earlier. might buy if it goes bellow 10$

honestly I don't blame him since so many projects pull TPS numbers out of their ass. However I trust AVAX tps because I heard it straight from the dev that benchmarked it and how he was a little upset that Emin pick the most conservative estimate. Emin really hates bullshit and scammers since he had to grow up surrounded by Turks. Anyways state bloat is the real problem so max theoretical TPS debate is less important right now.

>ALGORAND
explain want to buy cheapies

Solana is pushing hardware scaling to it's local conclusion, so trying to tell people it does more TPS than Solana (max 800-900) is clearly incorrect.
All single chain systems have the same limitation, no matter the consensus or blocksize.

Emin is legit shady though, he is telling people that speed is the biggest problem in this space. Clearly that's a fraudulent statement, even you guys would agree. Right?

Don't back paddle now user, Chainweb is CS grade partitioning, sharding itself is more vague, everything can be shared if you really want it to be, the definition really is that large, even L2 like subnets can be considered sharded, it's clearly not though. Which is why not understanding the difference can cause confusion. It's fully Sharded and therefore multi chain.
Have you read the white paper yet? it's really short and easy to understand, you should try it.

I know this discussion isn't about PoS vs PoW so I won't waste too much time on it, but I do want to remark on how funny it is that you claim that PoS is better than PoW when we just saw a PoS network shut down because cost to attack was too low. Something which can happen to most PoS networks if there are large scale and reliable options markets for crypto. Just imaging user, billion dollar bets on shorting a network to the absolute fucking ground just because there is profit in doing so. Isn't the free market amazing.
It's like everything in the universe is doing it's best to make Proof of Stake (algorithmic plutocracy) as terrible to use as possible.

Firstly makes sharding impossible, secondly makes attacks easy, thirdly makes it so that it can never be decentralized due to supply economic.

PoS truly was one of the biggest dead ends crypto ever tried to make work.

checked and pessimism is always correct. Hopefully there will be a niggercoin l2 on solana that goes up in value the more dead niggers die in Kenya.

What do you guys think about Celo? Invested in it a bit a while back, not doing hot rn but wondering about future.

Yeah, keep buying other useless shitcoins

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>centralized crypto are faster and less energy consuming than decentralized ones with actual network delays and replications

Keep coping, Hedera is the most decentralized network by far.
Understand what is decentralized governance first, then cry who is decentralized and who is not

>26 nodes
>most decentralized network
what is this, decentralization for ants?

Based on the fact that all cryptos are pushed by paid shills on youtube and twatter there is something HIGHLY fucking suspicious about how a premium grade crypto like ICP has been entirely overlooked and only went down during a bull run - and the sole objection of most was "sTuPid nAMe".

I suspect they will rebrand ICP before the next bullrun. I've seen this many times in other bull runs - new crypto arrives late, gets ignored, goes to pennies and next bull run all the Cryptoidtubers are screaming about how its going to change the world (after it has already 100xed) and you are "Still early".

There is a bizarre mentality in bull runs that every coin MUST hit its previous ATH at least.

I hate when projects do not have a defined max supply

>no one cares about this centralized meme chain
>price only went down because it was a VC scam on top of a centralized meme chain
THERE IS A BIZZARE MEMTALLIZY ICP NEEDS TO GO UP

hilarious, hbaggies are so bad at shilling that they, without realizing it, post evidence that hbar is the most centralized crypto in the space.

>stake 50%, open 20x short, attack
first, this is really hard to with any coin of any size, we are talking about a massive stake and a massive short. you would have to convince a very large and diverse people to agree to go along with a scheme like that, and good luck because if anyone leaks your plan because they will end up front-running your market play.
second, using LUNA as an example is just intellectually dishonest since PoS had nothing to do with the stable algo failing and it was basically dead long before any type of sybil attack would even mean anything, PoW or PoS. Also the same exact thing would have happened with a PoW version of LUNA since 99% miners would not continue mining for $0.04 LUNA. Security scales with token value regardless of PoW or PoS, it's not something unique to PoS.
third, it would arguably be easier to do this type of '50% attack and 20x short' on a PoW chain since computing power can be rented for much cheaper than having to buy 50% of total stake. It would be pretty hard to get that kind of liquidity in a short timespan and this would likely send the price up making it even harder. Also the chain is transparent, it would be hard to keep a massive scheme like this secret. Not to mention you would likely have to make dozens of OTC deals or coordinate with dozens of like-minded whales and pray that they don't leak or front-run you or sabotage your plan and long.
fourth, PoS chains have been around for a while now. Old security assumptions are no longer assumptions as they have been battle-tested. This is why no one takes PoW zealots seriously.

be gobermend
brint bunch of fiat
take down pos (piece of shit)

Based on the fact that all cryptos are pushed by paid shills on youtube and twatter there is something HIGHLY fucking suspicious about how a premium grade crypto like AVAX has been entirely overlooked and only crabbed and dumped during a bull run - and the sole objection of most was "dOuBlE sPeNd".

uncle joe wouldn't do that to me, he said I was his little cornpop

0 to 4 I buy Hedera Cashgrab

5 to 9 I buy Avalanche

RIP

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If you think hedera is centralized you don't understand anything about it.
It's like people who say chainlink is centralized.
You're all waiting on muh institutions to adopt your favorite chain without realizing this is what adoption looks like.

I don't want institutions to govern my chain are you out of your mind. What I want is more than 26 nodes.
Hbar has less nodes than fantom (the worst L1 next to avax)

>I don't want institutions to govern my chain are you out of your mind. What I want is more than 26 nodes.
>Hbar has less nodes than fantom (the worst L1 next to avax)
The nodes shall come.
I want perfect implementation instead of rushed delivery