What is ACTUALLY happening in Ukraine? #2 // NWO Edition

Ukraine attacked in three spots basically, North Kharkov, Kherson and South Kharkov. They found undermanned position in South Kharkov and are currently attempting to exploit their success

Yeah that worked out great lasst time when chug split off from uhg because they couldn't handle truth

Uk soldiers are basically all dead/running taxi driver duty

NATO "volunteers" are becoming the main factor. Balls in Putin's court if he wants to acknowledge/call out/declare mobilization against nato

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>We had dragonz and sheit

/chug/s version (that russia has achieved several important goals such as consolidating control over most of the donbass, securing a land bridge to crimea, and destabilizing energy supply lines and therefore the economic and political systems of most western countries while increasing its profile and connections worldwide) is objectively correct though, while /uhg/ is demonstrably paid WEF shill redditors

i say this as someone who thinks Russia is a dystopian oligarchy characterized primarily by governmental malfeasance and collusion with organized crime

The only people that can tell you are actually in Ukraine. So, Ukrainians, Russians or Glowies.
Not one of that group is going to give you an unbiased take.

Basically, everything is going to Russia's plan and in their favor, and the long game is better strategically for them but maybe not politically.

They do have an endgame problem, in that they couldn't select a specific endgame because of contingencies, and are playing off of events on the ground to see what the endgame will look like.
This has resulted in a low committal of resources for the time being.
Kharkov defeat is completely militarily irrelevant, and on the balance many many more Uke troops died so it's really a Russian victory.
However, it does expose the weakness of Russia's plan in that it's a huge political defeat for Balakleya civilians to be massacred and not protected.

Once Russia perceives the endgame, they will act more decisively. They are benefitting by delaying things (Europe will starve), and avoiding escalations with the West.
However, delay is complicating the endgame and limiting options. It's hardening the hearts of Ukrainians and making a complete takeover less likely in that they will be ungovernable.

Probably, Russia may declare the status of the special operation to be an "anti-terror operation" and slightly escalate force levels and that should do the trick.
The can take Odessa and Kharkov, but the problem is that even if they fix the border there and say "okay cool we're done" NATO will keep funding the Ukes and Russia will have to defend that border forever.
So, they have to defeat Ukraine's will to fight. At the moment, that's through body bags and death counts.
In the long run, Russia will pay higher salaries and pensions to former Ukrainian territories, and many Ukrainians will prefer to just join the Russian system. At the moment they believe that joining the EU means a BMW in every garage, and the Russia means going back to Soviet times. Whatever the truth, neither of those ideas is accurate at all.

So how does Russia actually end things? There are options, but still a fog of war.

Let me explain why Kharkov was a Russian military victory, but a political defeat.
>Did Russia lose the battle?
No, Russia didn't even fight. They withdrew right before the battle began, obviously aware it was coming.
>But that means they goofed in their deployment of forces
No, it's not that they didn't leave enough forces, they didn't HAVE enough forces
>So they are working with too few resources
Yes, technically true, but Russia doesn't have a strategic need to commit more resources yet. Playing out the clock on Europe's Dark Winter is ok
>But it looks like Russia isn't serious and they even let civilians get killed by SBU
Yes, it's politically bad, and that shouldn't matter in the short run, but the endgame and fallout will be shaped by perceptions of the war.
>Thousands of Uke troops died in the Kharkov assault, while only a few Russians died since they retreated immediately. Ukes charged into artillery cover zones, which is why so many died, but that was the price of taking the territory.
Right, so a Russian military victory since their priority is killing troops, not holding territory.

This is a war of attrition that will end like Korea. No one is winning No official agreements really, but a de facto line of control that looks either like what we see today, Feb 2022 borders or pre 2014 borders. My guess is the first option.

Tips for you newfag:
If you don't want uhg or chug involvement you should not write it in OP. Else regulars will see your thread while using search. As always op is a massive fag

Why is Kharkov a political defeat?
>Russia didn't start this war
NATO actions and the Maidan NATO coup government have been provoking since 2014 and had a planned invasion of Donbass. Putin's hand was forced by these actions, so in a sense they baited Putin into this war by leaving him little choice.
>It's a limited war
From Putin's point of view, a forever conflict isn't a big deal, it deals with the problem, and it's a problem he didn't create. But, it's politically impossible to have a forever war in Ukraine.

It's not just Putin, it's the entire Russian elite system. They lack the will to fight a big war, and anyway a big war is dangerous and risks nuclear escalations.
However, they will have to do something to get a more decisive position in the Ukraine.

Keep in mind the nature of this conflict. NATO is testing Russia's limits, and harassing them. Russia is responding just enough to protect itself, and wishes none of this is happening.

So Russia is able to cynically through LPR and DPR under the bus, and Kadyrovites too. If that could keep NATO's bullshit at bay effectively, who gives a shit about these people?
That's the mindset of the RU leadership. Again, keep in mind, they didn't want this conflict, but that doesn't mean they're saints. NATO is Satan, hands down.

RU is nearing the point of having to actually play as the saint in order to get out of this, and I predict there are many plans on what to do. There are many minor escalations possible, like making this an "Anti terror" operation, or a formal declaration of war.

The only way to know for sure is to source all your information from sources that agree with each other at least, or at best are coordinated in their communications on it.
Under no circumstances should any information from russian sources be considered, unless it supports your preferred view. Note that anyone presenting views that differ from the nato or ukrainian narrative is likely a paid agent. Anyone accusing ukrainian supporters of being an agent is also, of course, an agent.

What everyone is missing, thanks to the blindfold of Western propaganda, is that if Russia was more saintly, they would actually have escalated the war a long time ago.
The moderate hand of Russian policy, the restraint, is actually a feature of Russian Machiavellian cynicism. An attempt to allow the status quo to persist as long as possible and fight chaos with the cheapest, most expendable lives.

is that why they left 300 pieces of heavy equipment to be captured in izyum?
your post is totally delusional bullshit

Behold, the Truth.

America is making sweet love to Russia and fucking Ukraine at the same time and China is jerking off in the corner because America is distracted with gay hating treasonous white people who can’t understand they’re creating their own enemy and the family won’t be enough to save their Fucking asses while Africa starves (as it should) and Mexico is pumped up with cartels to prepare for their glorious annexation (idk give it 50 years and 1 terrorist attack?)

Brazil wants nukes so bad. Bad Brazil.

Oh and Ukraine is kicking ass with handicaps Russia really doesn’t want this and is actually fake SHOOK. they are SHOOK. they are STUNNED.

but know who is smug? China? Like 3 seconds ago they were shook at sanctions but now they’re smug cuz muh yuan.

anyways get ready for blockades within 3 years

Also this is good and just stay cool anons don’t commit treason, you might end the human race. Mazel tov!

For Russia is the Fool who Must Be Taken for a Fool to Survive, and China is the Villain who Must be Forgiven to Thrive.

India is a Hot Bitch and She’s Just Here to Kill Muslims (I Mean For a Fun Time !)

Um… yeah. America is about to shoot off.

Why doesn't putin just declare war? Everyone already is calling it and reacting like it's a war.

Well, this is the natural conclusion, but Russia in fact needs a much clearer political outcome and that's the real weakness of Russia's position. Militarily, victory is inevitable and of course they have done very well.

Ukraine does not exist. Neither does Russia. Or China. Or France. Or New Jersey.

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Ukranians had sex with Europe and gave birth to the United States of Europe. Or do they favor the Americans?

Maybe if Germany would stop being such a frigid bitch. She will though she’s not one to be played for a fool too long you can only say “but you were Nazis” so long before they say “hahahaha yeah, you’re gonna die.”

could you provide a shred of evidence for thousands of Ukrainian troops dying in the kharkiv offensive that isn’t from the Russian MoD? There’s nothing to indicate this while Russian forces got routed, it was not a planned or orderly retreat which is why they left entire armoured divisions to be captured

I'd frequent it

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They couldn't move it in time, what's so hard to believe about that?
You think they didn't notice heavy armored infantry vehicles moving into position, really?
I guess you eat THAT much cock.

>oh no the bots will pick up on your thread and bump it into relevancy.
Get fucked faggot.

>Somehow the Russians magically killed thousands of Ukrainians even though there were supposedly almost no Russian forces in the area and they were not in combat positions but supposedly withdrew "in an orderly and fully planned manner."
>By the way, despite the fact that we lost ground and hundreds of tanks, this is a Russian victory, do not doubt it!

I love to see how many people live in a parallel world of fantasy, you are like don quixote, at any moment you will say that the HIMARS are actually giants

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if it was a planned retreat, things like heavy artillery pieces and counter battery radar would not be being captured, but it was not a planned retreat. It was a rout
Izyum is a key city if they ever want to take sloviansk
there’s absolutely zero evidence Ukraine took heavy casualties during this offensive, the only things is Russian MoD claims, which at this point are just blatant lies

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The reptilians and the Bidens are doing secret bio experiments, the war is just a coverup.
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They should have bulldozed ukraine with their full military power instead of pussy footing with mercenaries and chechens.

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Hmm. Logic.
Artillery + moving out of the way ahead of time + massive hospital visits + the map.
Jesus dude, you are a cock guzzler.
I bet you're one of the gays that show Afghanis in the face after raping their buttholes in that one scandal.

Kek.

You seem genuinely butthurt and surprised at these allegations, as if your aren't even psychologically prepared for the idea that what you have believed to be true is fucking bullshit.

Honestly, do you really think this latest counter-offensive is some stroke of genius? that an 11-1 scorecard, with this offensive being the '1' - hold that, the Moskva - it's an 11-2 scorecard - do you really think of this as a victory?

Against what?

You think the transnational West, the WEF, Soros, Schwab, Rothschild, Clinton, Merkel, the EU. Do you think these child fuckers are the good guys?

Good lord.