My guess is that Ukraine is fine continuing to send men into the meat grinder, and Russia is fine with being sanctioned, fine with sanctioning the West and seeing what cracks form for them to exploit, and fine with the war converting potential insurgents into corpses, and perhaps even fine with war crimes committed against their citizens and soldiers in the Ukraine, if it will build resolve for sending in troops. The war at the moment is mostly in a state of stasis. Not that it's stopped, but that it isn't changing its nature with much speed. This will drag out for some time. The Ukrainian factions in power can maintain their power and require defeat on the battlefield, barring the formation of a pro-peace faction in Ukraine. The Russians have plenty more up their sleeves and no reason to expect their supplies to be cut off or people with Putin's ideas to fall out of power. Things will continue the way they're going until something changes. At the moment, no one who can make things change is interested in things changing. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
So my question is: What will cause this war to change or resolve? What will happen next, and when will happen?
a coup is the only way out for russia. and that ain't happening. russia is determined to punish europe by denying them fossil fuels.
Alexander Young
>What will cause this war to change germoids freezing to death thus stopping the help that goes to ukraine
Cooper Gonzalez
>and that ain't happening It will if this continues to be a ridiculous shitshow for them.
Michael Lee
geopolitics is theater. it's all for the great reset Russia has all the nukes (Clinton uranium deal) for this purpose Nuclear holocaust of the first world by end of month, latest during the winter upcoming.
Brandon Green
It is mildly troubling seeing the "elite" bunkermaxx while preparing global seedbanks.
Jack Cooper
Russia choice: A. Nuclear B. Defeat Ukraine: A. USSR Meat grinding B. Defeat
Ethan Long
The war can only end if Ukraine regains all its territory, including Crimea and Russia agrees to it, or if the Russians actually invade and take over.
You must understand, Ukraine as a nation collapsed about 10 days into this. Everything we're seeing now is the direct injection of funds and weapons. The Ukrainians are providing bodies for the West to wage war, the MIC is getting a fat paycheck to keep it going and the US benefits by convincing Europe to commit suicide.
No matter what happens, Europe has already lost, as the Hungarians point out just recently. And not one politician will hang for this, because nobody seems to have any self-preservation instincts left.
Matthew Gonzalez
Yeah. They have robot soldiers with qubit chips that interface with starlink satellites ready too. Those will kill more than the nukes will. But you don't want to live in what they have planned lol.
Russia is fucked, they choose to go easy on ukraine because they believe in they own lies about liberating Ukraine from nazis, without mobilization they dont have infantry to support they armor and they lost half of theyir equipment already , now when they finnaly waking up from their lies they dont have enough hardware to try again. Vultures in China and India are not hepling them they are here just for cheap resources and land after Russia colapses. Support from NATO will not end when there is so easy option to destroy Russia for next 30 years
Isaac Sanders
>My guess is that Ukraine is fine continuing to send men into the meat grinder It's their fucking country, user. They should do as they please in there. Russians are not currently welcome.
Nicholas Moore
all Ukraine needs to do now is hold enough contested territory to make Russian "referendums" impossible to implement. As long as the west has money they can go on indefinitely.
Colton Smith
it has either collapsed or it is still fighting. Asw it shows it is still fighting. >No matter what happens, Europe has already lost Top Kek, they haven't even started. But by all means, keep wasting russian troops and their world rep into the Ukrainian meat grinder. Even Switzerland left its neutral stance, WELL DONE.
James Lopez
The most plausible halt to this war I can see would be mass surrenders among the conscripted Ukrainian civilian population, uninterested in fighting. Some sort of semi-organised campaign of hiding, fragging and just surrendering.
I'm assuming we're currently seeing the most gung-ho Ukrainians fighting. If they get worn down, presumably each new wave will be less into the war, until some inflection point of mass desertion/insubordination hits, perhaps also amongst officers keen to avoid prosecution post-war by the Russians. When that inflection point hits, I don't know though. I don't imagine a similar inflection point would occur for the Russians. I suspect that if Zelly attempts to go for peace, he'll be assassinated, so I don't see that happening. IIRC, the Americans or whoever warned him that that would happen by predicting it.
I'm not particularly trying to moralise. Am I incorrect in the belief that people are dying at a far greater rate than the Russians?
Owen Jenkins
Russia is putting forth the most pitiful war effort possible, banking on the fact that they can freeze continental Europe this winter. The West's advances in Ukraine become pyrrhic victories once they're forced to accept the terms of a humiliating defeat so that their civilians don't revolt from the cold.
Jordan Turner
The deployment of 46 tactical nukes at 1 time. 8 hours of clear time, advance with the Red Army. Putin shows the world hes all in. Rest of the world backs down, knowing its not worth nuclear exchange. This is the only option left
>It will if this continues to be a ridiculous shitshow for them. Time is on Russia's side. Winter is fast approaching.
Kayden Jackson
victories increase morale and higher casualties can be expected when attacking, I highly doubt the ukranian population morale suffered a hit after the recent developments. Winter might have more of an effect on it than anything so far.
James Ramirez
Not how it works
Henry Brooks
Nah, you gotta put things in perspective. The propaganda in Kiev and the Ukrainian regions is huge, even more so than in the West. The hohols actually believe the Russians are there to genocide them all and that Russians are randomly murdering people for no reason. And most people are far more willing to fight someone invading them than otherwise.
Ukraine had an army of 200,000 men when this began, which has been depleted. But they still have a several million able men of fighting age. Sure, theoretically, they would suffer fatigue and morale loss as this drags on, but it's not like any sort of casualty numbers are being reported officially, and the stuff broadcast internally is state controlled.
The Ukrainians have already arrested diplomats for treason, the US doesn't want peace and won't allow it, so only a military victory or defeat will see this done. I don't think Agent Ze has any incentive to try for peace. He won't suffer regardless of outcome.
I think we'll be made to starve and freeze and they'll smile in their exotic resorts and tell us the age of abundance is over.
Brandon White
>civilians >revolt lol limate lockdowns will be a thing till March and people won't do shit. Russia better have another ace up their sleeve if that's thier best bet.
Jack Hernandez
>Russia is fine with being sanctioned No, they're fucked. Their only hope is that the inflation in Europe will convince the NPCs all over Europe to change their governments and stop the sanctions.
Jason Powell
Europe freezing. Russia sending 800k troops. Both need to happen.
Noah Brooks
Anyone saying people in the EU will freeze and starve this winter is unironically below 80 IQ. I actually mean it, not in a meme way, I mean seriously intellectually challenged and with a brain just functioning enough to post on Any Forums and nothing more complicated than that.
Chase Richardson
I apologise if you know better than me, but could it be that you're confusing what Northwest Ukrainians are saying vs what they actually believe (and how they'll respond when their choice is death or surrender)? I can certainly imagine a lot of hyperbolic claims going around, and I recognise that people can be bad at thinking critically, but surely people would realise that that narrative is mostly fanciful if the chips were down? Like how American progressives act like White supremacists in their personal choices. Or is it actually what people really believe, even in the face of evidence to the contrary? I thought that Ukraine had a large enough foreign diaspora and enough internet access and knowledge of foreign languages that a more balanced view would be there alongside the propaganda version. My guess was also that they'd have relatives in Russian-occupied areas who could tell them the reality of the situation.
Fucked how though? Sincere question.
Logan Lee
My understanding of Ukrainian mindsets comes from speaking with Ukrainians. Most aren't so stupid as to think their government isn't retarded, but they seem very on board with the whole genocide scenario at least. I've known at least some Pro-Russian Ukrainians who have suddenly declared Putin to be the Great Satan and conformed completely to the propaganda. These people used to call Ukrainians pigs and claimed to be ethnically Russian.
This is understandable, mind you, getting bombed is not fun.
But my belief is that many hohols are completely opposed to Russians no matter what happens and will go to fight them even if they think it's certain death. They only need another 500,000 of them to think this way and that would be enough to exhaust Russia unless some drastic changes in doctrine take place.
Jayden Sanders
Germanoids barly aend help and aren't involved in supply transport. They could all die and nothing would change
Charles Miller
>Fucked how though? Sincere question. They rely on Western technology to produce anything. Including the technology for extracting resources. This is all gone now. Thein main buyer of resources is also gone now and contrary to Russian propaganda, selling a fraction of this to China with lower prices is not an alternative. All this talk about how sanctions are not working or (lmao) even making Russia stronger is part of the propaganda.
