>need job
>apply to a million places
>get a call back from an assembly plant
>no experience in that field, surprised they called me
>offer me the job and wages that are surprisingly somewhat decent for entry level with no experience, more than some people I know with degrees
>fuggit, accept the job, worst case scenerio I bounce nothing gained nothing lost
>train, get out on the floor
>start talking to my new coworkers, they all seem miserable and disheartened
>turns out the job is pretty rough, you’re under very intense scrutiny and every single mistake you make no matter how small or large is an automatic write up/disciplinary action
>people work in fear for 10 hours straight a day, constantly checking and rechecking their work for the smallest defects
>any deviation from the “official,” process is termination, but the “official,”
Process is inefficient and many times even outdated
>start crunching numbers
>we make 15-20 products a day
>each one sells between 300-500k
>if workers are making an average of 20 dollars an hour, that’s 200 a day per employee
>300 employees roughly, so 60k a day to pay everybody (yes I realize some people will make more or less)
>on the low end you’re making 4.5 million worth of product a day, but in reality you’re making even more than that
>so on the low end that’s 18 million a week, 936 million a year
>so let’s round it up to a billion at the absolute lowest
>meanwhile 60k a day, 240k a week, 12 million a year
Wageslaving has turned me into an unironic communist
>so this company is not even paying their employees just about 1% of their profit a year
>there is 0 reason that the salaries of the employees couldn’t be MINIMUM doubled for the amount of pressure and scrutiny they’re under and it would not even be a dent when the ceo and shareholders are making millions and on the very low end they’re pulling in a billion a year
Yeah I recognize that there’s costs to running the business, but the value of the product is coming exclusively from the labor, until robots can manufacture them, and so the people I’m working with deserve to be making at LEAST 30 bucks an hour to start, that wouldn’t even add 8 million to the total cost of running the business a year, and without the workers this product would not and literally could not exist. I could not think of a single point that any one could make that would sway me in the other direction, it’s nonsensical that people are making this little for the amount of money the company is making. I also see no reason why the employees shouldn’t collectively own at least partial stake in the company seeing as how they’re the ones that allow it to exist in the first place, and if not I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to have a union that can bargain wages and benefits on their behalf
dilate you tranny
helicopter rides can't come fast enough
>but the value of the product is coming exclusively from the labor,
That's your mistake. The value isn't coming from the labor, it's coming from the person/company who had the money to build the factory.
If it were the labor which added value to an enterprise, you wouldn't be searching months for a job.
Instead, the only reason you were offered that job at all is because someone with a shit load of money put it on the line to build the factory to sell the product.
Communism always starts with "first we seize the means of production". They do that because they can't build the means of production on their own.
Worked in oil like this, medium sized company, riduculous cash to drive a forklift 12hrs/day if you can discern nc50 from nc46 and similar other esoteric shit.
so you work at a place with draconian rules but why exactly did this turn you to communism?
>zoomer works a bit for first time ever
>AAAAAAAAAA SAVE ME STALIN
lmao
Did you have a cool forklift driver shirt
i quit 3 years ago and waiting for enough motivation for me to start a business or die just thinking.
>The value isn't coming from the labor, it's coming from the person/company who had the money to build the factory
The value of the product of itself most definitely comes from the labor, becuase the factory could be used to produce anything, people could sit their all day and shit on the conveyor belts and pee in on the tools and nothing of value would come from , it’s the logistics team that receives the parts and the assemblers that put it all together that are creating the value. Otherwise you get an empty warehouse with a bunch of glorified scrap metal and electronics
ideally the workers should all be partial owners of the factory. When you have someone who can crank out 25 engines a day without blinking and management that doesn’t know the first thing about it how can you justify paying the former $20 an hour and the latter 70 grand a year when the entire business is based on building this product? The management there doesn’t really contribute anything to be frank all they exist to do is write people up and do basic HR level shit, which I don’t even mind, there’s a time and place for that stuff, but in my mind those are the people that should be making 15-20 bucks an hour. You could get a drooling retard to say “hold up bucko that washers a millimeter too small gonna have to dock your bonus” (and before you say anything no I haven’t been written up so my feelings aren’t coming from a place of salt lol)
>The value of the product of itself most definitely comes from the labor,
Nope lmao, not even close
>ragie mcwagie's menshevik manifesto
Get a REAL job, you parasite
Good for you you stupid shit eating faggot
Spuced
Then let's define "value".
On one side, you have a factory, which needs employees to produce a product. On the other, you have the employees who need the job to feed their families.
The factory doesn't NEED to exist; the money spent to build it being enough to keep anyone comfortable for years. So while ya, the shop needs the employees, the employees need the factory jobs more.
>how can you justify paying the former $20 an hour and the latter 70 grand a year
it's basically about how replaceable you are
>s basically about how replaceable you are
Based non retard
>the value of the product is coming exclusively from the labor
Labour is a process, not an absorbed quality. Put in just half the work and the product will not have half the value on the market, but much less than that if any. The product itself, its desireabily and complexity, defines the value of the work put into it, and its financial perfomance together with company policy its price. While clamoring through unionisation for better working conditions, especially if company finances are like that, is right and all, falling into the communist idea of surplus value and its exploitation is the easy way to go from making 200 a day, overall a respectable amount, to making less and not having much to spend it on either.
>the value isn't coming from the labor. It's coming from the person/company that had the money to build the factory
A factory with no people in it makes no product, no product makes no money, and no money is no good for the capitalist
>if it were the labor which added value, you wouldn't be searching for months for a job
OP probably had other options, but chose to work at the factory because it's what actually pays a living wage. You talk like the free market should determine what workers should make for their labor when it's that same free market that says the twitch streamer or stripper should make more than the carpenter, electrician, or sometimes even the doctor
>the only reason you were offered the job in the first place is because someone with a shit load of money put it on the line
People act like the "risk" taken by capitalists is justification for treating workers like shit, but is there really much of a risk being taken in the first place? If you have a shit ton of money, and you spend a fraction of that to sell a product; is there as much of a risk taken relative to someone with less capital to put on the line?
>they can't build the means of production on their own
People will always need things. Clothes, cars, buildings, etc. What we don't need is people who hoard their wealth, and pay off politicians and media corporations to brainwash the masses and hold onto their power
>A factory with no people in it makes no product
Not if there's robots
>When you have someone who can crank out 25 engines a day without blinking and management that doesn’t know the first thing about it how can you justify paying the former $20 an hour and the latter 70 grand a year when the entire business is based on building this product?
This is the fault of the image makers, who never got around to teaching the post-boomer generations how capitalism works in an ideal nation. Here's the short version...
Worker:
> needs career for lifetime
> when young has energy but no knowledge
> when old has all the knowledge, but is weaker
Company:
> wants continuity
> wants the best to rise, producing more
> wants to attract workers
The solution:
> worker starts young. Since they know nothing about the business, they do all the physical labor and are paid littler
> as they learn more, they move up
> in each step up, they do less physical work and more "supervisory" work.
> they also make more, giving their overall career an upward trend
The result:
> new young workers make no money, but do all the work
> old workers make all the money, but do little to none of the physical work.
The system works well, but people need to understand it
>That's your mistake. The value isn't coming from the labor, it's coming from the person/company who had the money to build the factory.
lol the key is to get cash directly from the fed. than again 9 trillion dollars in securities purchases probably didnt enrich anyone especially equity holders.
>cpi 8.6%
>debt >100% gdp
lol
>capitalist cocksuckers ITT
lol, maybe it's time to lwer minmum wage to 8 dollars.
More than enough since non ownership labor is only worth this much.
Nice quints, but that only works for so long. I would refer you to the US between 1837-1843; the last time the left was able to put their "money can be created out of thin air" beliefs. It took a decade to clean up their mess that time.
>the factory doesn't NEED to exist
People need things. You're right that capitalists don't need the factory to survive the same way that we need it to make a living to pay our bills. But say that they stop building factories. What would happen to society?
I have worked for government most of my adult life. It seems hypocritical that I would be against government intervention in our daily life yet here I am. I think the people who are angry at the current system are justified yet they are only looking at half the puzzle. Communism isn't the answer. Government is never the answer. Government sees people as a commodity, the only value you have attached to you is how useful you are to them. Companies are no different yet you can leave. I understand all too well how it's not 'that simple' but essentially you are free to leave at any time. With government, you are not. You are stuck unless you move somewhere completely different country and they don't want you, they'll never want you unless you are valuable.
The military will take anyone and toss you aside the second you aren't able to perform. Government jobs will take anyone and never pay you a livable wage unless you're in leadership. Then your entire existence is dependent on whether or not people like what you do but with any government program they won't ever get rid of you, they'll just slash the budget and divert funds elsewhere.
What worries me the most about this push for more government control, on both sides of the spectrum, is that right now we are viewed as an expendable commodity. Our worth is dictated by how we vote and how well we follow. Not that this is much different than before, it's just more prevalent. They push us to attack each other, to see them as the savior for problems that have existed for lifetimes, problems they have zero interest in fixing. And we all collectively agree they are the problem and yet we welcome them to control more and more of our lives.
I wish you get the future you are fighting for, and that you live long enough to hate the hell you created.
money out of thin air is an omniparty position republicans have no problem burning trillions as long as it goes directly to (((job creators))) wallstreet or lockheed martin. the issue is now dems are for the exact same garbage but with social spending.
Who's gonna make the robots, and if robots take most of the jobs; should all the people not working starve to death? Should everyone just learn how to blow up on tiktok or YouTube when they can't land any other job, or die?
>Who's gonna make the robots
Other robots
I would also argue that the factory I work at does need to exist, we create a machine that terraforms the earth so at this juncture if it wasn’t owned by a private company it would have to be government funded becuase we couldn’t go without it at this point
I pretty much agree with this. I don't believe in an equality of outcomes, but rather that everyone's basic needs should be met, and that Unions should have significantly more power, if not all the power in society and government
>should all the people not working starve to death?
Yes
>but rather that everyone's basic needs should be met,
Wrong faggot
My point is that if became a contest between someone starving for lack of factory, and someone who can wait 6 months or 6 years to open the factory; the real-to-life power rests in the person who produces the regular jobs.
fair point.
Other robots. What do you think your captcha answers have been used for.
I’m pushing for the opposite of government control; I want the workers to own or at the very least have stake in the means of production. So not the government nor a private individual
Who enforces that?
If they paid what you were worth, they'd only need one bullet.
That wouldn’t work because niggers work In factories. So you’d have one start to get uppity and not do anything and try to boss everybody around like he’s King Kong and everything goes to shit. Happens every time, so we all have to suffer for these subhumans