I'm a trans individual who has been on Any Forums for years. I've yet to see any definitive proof that anything which is largely accepted by the trans community is bad for them, and I'm here to address these issues.
Let's get a hot topic out of the way first: gender affirmation surgery is as necessary for individuals experiencing severe gender dysphoria as chemo would be for a cancer patient. Yes, some people still unfortunately kill themselves. But, every single person who undergoes surgery who doesnt is a person whose life is saved. It is not cosmetic, it is life saving.
Secondly, estrogen is not bad for your mind or body in any way as an assigned-at-birth male. There is zero scientific evidence that it is. This is baseless and only serves to scare people away from taking the medicine they need
Third: it can be "too late to change". I am 37 and I only began hrt 5 years ago. Within two years I was visually passing and now my voice sounds indistinguishable from any other woman's.
Finally, that it is bad for children to transition. Most children have no issue with this and think it's cool to know a trans individual. And giving children estrogen does in fact make it easier on them psychologically to go through their lives as a woman. There is zero evidence that any child has experienced adverse effects growing up compared to non-trans children.
I will talk to anyone about any of these things. I'm just sick of seeing baseless bullshit spewed about us on this board. Seeing that stuff early on in my transition made me think about some things I never want to think about again. And anyone who posts pictures of girls who are having trouble passing is participating in psychological abuse.
I known a couple of trannies in real life. They come off as normal people. It's all of the trannies online that are quite crazy.
Jeremiah Gutierrez
You’re being used a paypig for greedy doctors dumbass
Josiah Gonzalez
>I'm a trans individual stopped reading right there
Wyatt Gomez
i've seen this exact thread posted before and everything you say has been proven false
Ian Morris
I really hope one day you feel an appropriate amount of guilt for telling a trans person to "kys". Fucking pig.
Jayden Ward
I know ur baiting but the laughter of the gods berating you while you look in the mirror must be borderline unbearable. We are all laughing at you, or maybe for the kinder, cringing in pity
William Moore
didn't read. go back.
Isaiah White
you are an evil piece of garbage who wants to groom tomboys. Kys
What makes you think you're interesting enough to do a Q and A with random strangers?
Fuck off and kill yourself, you fucking freak.
Xavier Phillips
When you kill your self will you do it with a rope?
Christopher James
>attention whore finds a new way to get attention >a surgical body modification fetish >AREN'T I PRETTY MENTALLY ILL HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD BE PUT INTO A F-CKING ASYLUM. TIRED OF THESE STUPID FAGS.
Jason Davis
kys, faggot
Jeremiah Jackson
>gender affirmation surgery is as necessary for individuals experiencing severe gender dysphoria as chemo would be for a cancer patient. correct
I'm never going to even think about hurting myself so your disgusting bile is falling on deaf ears. If you really have nothing to say than hate speech then go fuck off. This is not the thread for you.
Noah Cook
I wont just as you wont regret dragging other people and KIDS to your mindless spiral of mental insanity. Kys you vile groomer
Carson Moore
Bump Hes not evil, just stupid XD He wont. He has our support. We have the money. We can fix him
Jordan James
What about puberty blockers? What do you have to say about that?
Christopher Stewart
send pics or gtfo sexy slut
Dylan Reyes
this, kys
Thomas Roberts
>Within two years I was visually passing and now my voice sounds indistinguishable from any other woman's.
HRT doesn't affect your voice, and if you were a real trans person you'd know that. Voice feminization is possible only through training and/or surgery. By this phrase you have outed yourself as not trans, and also a troll.
Samuel Fisher
Don't care that it's a bait thread. I'm not reading all that shit.
Kevin Collins
Neck yourself, troon.
I mean, you're gonna do it anyway, why not just get it over with?
Alexander Perez
>trannies Its because of the WPATH standards.
Big pharma pays into lobby groups. Big lobby groups include HRC, FFAA, ACLU, PP, Arcus, Tides, Gates Foundation, OSF, GATE, NCTE, NCLR, GLAAD, GUTC, FFLI All pro-trans lobbying plays into WPATH. It promotes the standard of care for trans individuals. This standard is affirmative care only. This is then pushed onto the medical/psych/education fields. It creates a streamline through the system.
>A child starts exhibiting atypical behaviour >Said behaviour is typical of the opposite gender >WPATH standards diagnose this as gender dysphoria >At an immediate level teachers/aides/etc. are compelled to affirm said behaviour >Affirmation leads to increased behaviour via Pavlovian response >This now fits the diagnosis prescribed by WPATH >Child gets therapy that confirms this >Child gets put on GNRH agonists >Child gets put on cross sex hormones >Child gets surgery >Insert transition here >etc.
And all of this pads out the resumes of the shrinks/endocrinologists, who use the child in a study paid for by the same Big Pharma who paid into the lobby groups that pushed WPATH onto everyone.
Nathan Russell
You are mentally ill. Severely. You need to get therapy as opposed to listening to other mentally ill (severely) idiots embracing your illness. Hopefully you will see the light someday and attempt to revert the grotesque mutilation you've paid for.
Nathan Richardson
Were gonna help OP become a man. Me and you, Anono.
Leo Watson
>why autism Autism is just a weakness that is exploited by the system. High functioning/Aspergers, tend to display obsessive or fixated/repetitious behaviour. At a stage such as puberty or in a familial environment lacking appropriate same sex role models, they may experiment outside their gender and/or fixate upon it. Especially if they rather non-conformatist (ie. tomboys).
Post surgery attempted suicide rates do not go down. Success in suicide is largely irrelevant in this matter, as the measure is the volume of attempts. Given that we know the attempt rate does not lessen, we can make the extrapolation that the surgery itself does little to alleviate the issues they are experiencing.
Trans activists blame this on society and its refusal to accept trans individuals. However, this rate persists across households/communities. That is, a highly liberal open LGBT friendly place like San Francisco has a roughly similar rate to say Nashville.
So this suggests the issue does not lie in social acceptance.
One of the main issues with Trans issues, is the use of WPATH's model. That is affirmation as a main direction for care. This allows, access to hormonal therapy more readily without necessitating proper investigation into mental health history and/or abuse they have suffered. As such many individuals have underlying diagnosis that may explain their dysmorphia which are failing to be addressed.
For example, there is a high cormobidity with BPD, depression, anxiety disorders, bi-polar, schizoaffective, histrionics, PTSD/CPTSD, substance abuse disorders, histories of abuse as a child etc.
If you control for this, the rate of trans individuals, drops significantly. What you are left with is mostly people with body dysmorphic disorder.
Furthermore, one of the more complex things, is that studying things like pimozide (which in a single small study removed all interest in crossdressing and transition) is functionally career suicide due to WPATH despite possible value.
Camden Hernandez
There was a huge influx in COI inside USPATH/WPATH around 2011. While called out by the endocrine society it largely went on deaf ears. In 2013, they succeeded in a push on DSM changes, then 2014 succeeded in a case involving Medicare to expand coverage to gender transitions. This in turn matches a few other significant tech trends/cultural changes. Google searches for ftm/genderqueer took a sharp increase around 2011, which makes sense as tumblr and social media sites started cropping up around 2007, and there are a few studies who have shown some interesting statistics about the increase of gender dysphoria among peer groups as miniature clique explosions in a sense. FFLI saw a marked increase in funding from 2012 onwards, and by 2016 transgender causes had bypasses GBT combined. Tawani started dropping funds in I believe 2014? OSF and Arcus also dumped money into it. GATE also got funding and begain its push in 2015. NCTE pushed forward its survey in 2016, which helped earmark even more funding to the cause.
So you basically had a massive propaganda machine worth billions going.
Wyeth had taken a massive hit in 2002, and got bought out by Pfizer in 2009. Their main source of income prior was premarin - HRT for menopausal women. By around what 2000, some 50% of women were on this shit then it was shown to have a huge increase in breast cancer in 2002. Their stock dropped some 60% overnight. Hence the Pfizer take over. It wasn't quite out of the doghouse yet though. 2010 Wyeth was hit again with another major lawsuit for offlabel marketing, and then another for flat out paying people to make up a study. Out of nowhere, you suddenly have a new market with the trans stuff. Sell them T or gnrh or whatever and make a ton scamming the government.
Oliver Wright
There are no trans issues, only mental issues.
Angel Diaz
This also coaligns with some major endocrinologists jumping ship - see Stephen Rosenthal, who previously had specialized in diabetes/obseity since the 1980s, suddenly taking a massive interest in gender non-conforming teens in 2012
He's currently leading a study on longterm effects of GNRH in teens. Got something like 5.7 million in 2015 for it. Which is completely COI cause he works frequently as a consultant for AbbVie which is a subsidiary of Abbott Laboratories and makes the T given to ftms.
And that is just one name. You also have prominent gender researchers like Diane Ehrenshaft, doctors like Johanna Olson-Kennedy and Robert Garofalo or even other endocrinologists like Norman Spack.
Luke White
>I'm never going to even think about hurting myself >I'll just keep telling myself everyday that this is "normal" >surely that will help This says a lot for the 41% figure.
Levi Lopez
I should also elaborate on the legal issues facing Troon surgery
Why aren't GRS surgeons being sued? Well it has to do with a very odd grey area.
Normally, you can find retired doctors/surgeons/surgical nurses etc. who will provide expert testimony in cases This is especially true in theory for trans cases as they can argue they are doing it to protect the trans community from predatory surgeons Thing is battling experts on pros vs. def is more of a matter for minor issues than largely visible ones If damage is visible because say a surgeon knicked an artery and didn't notice, the jurors and judge can understand the cause easily This is odd, because we're talking about destroying healthy bodily organs/parts which makes it grey You can't just have a surgeon give testimony because its such a bizarre thing to talk about
But to elaborate further Most of these surgeons operate on a similar manner to informed consent That is there is a stack of papers you sign for regards to mediation/arbitration Most of these are essentially waiving rights - its no different than informed consent used for HRT Then you have the long list of stereotypical surgical stuff - no smoking, etc. because it affects anaesthesia or bloodflow Then you have the additional papers for things like months of extreme at home care/dilation etc. are specifically there so its easier to block malpractice lawsuits due to patient error
All this for a surgery that has a 65-70% chance of complications.
Jason Evans
>I am 37 and I only began hrt 5 years ago. Within two years I was visually passing Proof? And what even is your definition of passing. You look like an old post wall roastie and thats good enough for you. Whats the point of going from an ugly old man to an ugly old woman?
Based on the legal document of a Canadian case we can see how this works in procedure, they are progressing under informed consent - meaning the child has signed a waiver stating that they understand and consent to:
1. Nature of diagnosis 2. Options and alternatives 3. Multiple steps involved in treatment 4. Details concerning the nature of procedures or drugs administered 5. Partial irreversible damage of hormone blockers 6. Irreversible damage caused by escalating hormone therapy, surgery or psychological/psychiatric/pallitive care 7. Presence or absence of medical research of the foreseeable benefits or risks of treatment
Blake King
Why? Its the only acceptable and appropriate statement to say to an abomination unless you decide to detransition. About those apples, weird that the affirmation isn't so immutable. Oh yeah, KYS today, now if possible.
Wyatt Murphy
Here’s some numbers for you to chew over Average cost of MTF transition: > $140,000 Average cost of FTM transition: > $124,000
Best estimate for trans people is about 1 in 167, though this increases as we hit the Zoomers. Now taken in percentage it is about 0.5% in the west, which has a population of about 1 billion.
According to these statistics we have roughly 5,000,000 trans people in the USA.
Taking a mean cost of $132,000 x 5,000,000 This is a revenue of roughly $662,500,000,000.
Now given the frankly eye watering amount of money at stake is it any surprise that big pharma funds think tanks that propagandise the destruction of gender norms.
Follow the money.
Ian Russell
every FTM trans person i know (3 total, and i dated one pre-transition) was sexually and physically abused as a child what do you have to say about that
i don't know any MTFs but i know for a fact they're all fucking porn-addicted incel betas afraid of male gender roles so they switch over to have an easier time and instant sense of belonging without actually having to put in work 8/10 MTFs guaranteed don't have dysphoria they're just fucking fragile, gullible, and swallow the pinkpill propaganda to get easy sex and attention
Caleb Bennett
You're not visually passing
David Taylor
show me your panties
Carter Russell
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