==Panic buying Solar Panels== The next Toilet Paper insanity ?

it would be an amazing long term investment if you can install them yourself.
That way you can just store them and use them when everyone else is fucked with ten year old daily use panels.
Solar panels aren't magical, they're just finite fuel to electricity units, like coal, once the fuel is gone you're left with a piece of toxic trash.
If you do panic buy them, leave them uninstalled and on;ly use them when you need them

My dad had them on the old scheme he's paid them off twice in just 10 years with another 15 years contract to go. If you get them now you are a fucking idiot.

with government subsidies + the fact that I live in one of the sunniest places in Europe + insane energy prices lately, they'll literally pay for themselves in under 4 years for me (or less, we'll see what happens this winter)

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Solar is a meme. Good for small self-contained systems like a calculator, wristwatch or highway sign but impractical for a building (especially one that’s climate controlled) or supplement to a power grid. That’s not to say the technology won’t evolve but its not a practical solution right now and trying to force it is just another front for money laundering.

brainwashing to send money to china

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Your neighbours are overdoing it. You only need a single panel and an old car battery to have enough 12V DC to run basic 12 volt lighting and DC appliances. Add a few 12V sockets on thick enough gauge of wiring and you're done.

Funny thing is that all the solar panels are imported from China. So these idiots can expect their panels to break right around the end of their replacement plan. Or may not even work out of the crates lol

i financed mine 4 years ago with zero down and got 2500 on tax return.

before i got them my elec bill was 300-500, now its zero with a 170 payment for the panels.

but i live in the northeast, and our elec rates are the worst in the country. when i got the panels 4 yrs ago, it was over .30/kwh which is higher than what most of europe is freaking out about. i think its over .40 now cuz lots of neighbors posting 500-700 bills. i use more than average so mine would probably be 1k now if i wasnt paying 170 for those sweet panels. its a 20 year loan but idgaf

>they're just finite fuel to electricity units, like coal, once the fuel is gone you're left with a piece of toxic trash.
You're thinking of the amorphous type panels, the tech you find on crappy solar calculators.

Expiration Date on Solar panels are like 9yrs or sum shit before they need replaced, totally pointless to install many of them

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>your solar panels cost $43,000
christ, how many watts of panels and how many kwh of battery storage have you got

TECH
Amazon took all U.S. solar rooftops offline last year after flurry of fires, electrical explosions

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solar is great. my initial investment payed off after 3 years, and now i sell excess back into the grid & make some neat profit.

They've got this "Virtual power plant" shit happening here in Canberra/ Government incentive to get everyone with Solar panels on their house so they can feed back into the grid.

>Is it a great investment long term?
Long story short; No.
Cost me 15k to get mine installed years ago, think the most that it ever knocked off my power bill was $50, with most times it knocking off mere cents.

It probably is given the uncertainty on electricity availability in europe not just this winter but probably the next years too.

I am getting them now. Was planning to since before this nonsense began.
I will get about 5% return on investment p.a., which isn't too bad considering other options.
If electricity prices rise, I'll only get a higher return, so I am fine with that.

>124 000 tons of steel
>2,5 million tons of concrete
>1,2 million liters of transmission oil
#Green #Renewable #Fossilfree
Just build the fucking nuclear plant.

Australia was leading the world in solar technology but it turned into a national disaster.

The first problem was that the grid was a legally entrenched monopoly market, nobody could buy or sell power without the permission of the grid.

The second problem was that most power is used commercially or industrially and timing that power use its critical; but most solar was small scale and domestic.

The third problem was that solar power is inherently intermittent and can't meet either surge or base load requirements.

The fourth problem was the lack of infrastructure to switch power supply when areas designed only to consume power started producing power.

This culminated in an ongoing crisis that the government spent all its money trying to adjust to domestic solar to meet the political expectations of ignorant and endebted domestic solar owners.
Every time the sun came out there was a massive surge in power that nobody wanted, couldn't be stored, the grid wouldn't pay for.
The grid halves what they will pay for poorly timed solar power trapping Consumers in a proprietary market they're losing money in.
Suddenly the infrastructure spending isn't just wasted, it becomes counter productive.

Large areas suffer blackouts, factories are forced to shut, lines start physically failing, businesses suffer record power bills but can't buy from the solar producers who are paid penuts by the grid.

Moral of the story, the "free market" only works when it's actually free, leftists only care about money, state infrastructure should be left in the hands of engineers.
We suffered the energy equivalent of the Ukraine wheat famine

So, what's a legit alternative to solar?

Is 20 years user, but then you must replace them

And that's not even counting the blades or the tower. Just foundations for the windmills. ":D"