What are the political implications of the incredible contradictions between the Gospel of Jesus and the Gospel of Paul? Jesus teaches to follow the Law of Moses, while Paul abolishes the Law of Moses, essentially giving a "get out of free card" for sin. There is also a large conspiracy that Paul (and Peter) were in it for the money, fame and status of starting a hierarchical church, and Rome had a lot of interest in spreading the false gospel of Paul, in order to create good citizens, with zero spirituality to them.
Some good blogs to read on the subject (which contain some truth, with some lies) - but decide for yourself! - This is a debate thread. There are many followers of Paul who have no problems with sin, but they might be following a false doctrine.
Jesus: >"Make every effort to enter into the narrow gate" Paul: >"You are saved by grace, not of works" Jesus: "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" Paul >"If you are justified by the law, then you are fallen from grace" Jesus: "If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my father" Jesus: "If you dont forgive others, neither will God forgive you"
Paulian Christians: "You dont have to forgive others, you can deny Jesus as much as you want, you can continue sinning and even murder and rape daily, you will just get less rewards up in heaven *smirks* ;)"
Ryder Wright
Yep tons of controversies. I personally always had a hard time reading Paul, because I would be confused since it seemed to contradict the Gospels and OT so often. But if was a false agent on purpose, then it becomes like a test, or filter.
This is how we get Easy Belivism doctrines, from cherry-picking Paul's gospels, and ignoring the blatant contradictions. From a man who brutally persecuted early Christianity with pleasure, and then seems to have tried to infiltrate the movement from the inside, and admits to have a "messenger from Satan" spirit stuck with him, who the LORD will not remove.
Jesus is not teaching the opposite in that passage. The ones being told "depart from me" are people who supposedly have done "wonderful works", but they were not enough to save them because our works cannot save us, only the blood sacrifice Jesus performed can pay for our sins, if one is not putting their complete faith in His sacrifice and instead are trying to attribute their own "works" as to why they should be saved then they're rejecting His sacrifice by saying it is not enough.
Austin Butler
Also modern christian insist that every deed done by a non-christian is a filthy rag. Doesnt matter if an unbeliever is having compassion and helping homeless people, widows and orphans.
And churchstianity is summed up as "Ignore my sins, and I'll ignore yours. But if you bring my sins up I will say "Dont judge!" and tell the whole congregation the parable of super mega humble meek publican sinner (me! look how virtous I am when I admit I am a such a broken sinner!) but I will strawman whoever mention my sins into the evil, selfrightous, pharasee.
Also modern christians seems to take offense at any notion of actually keeping the commandments or teachings of Jesus Christ, and will use pauls epistles to explain why they dont have to stop sinning, not keep the commandments, and do whatever they want to do. Best to just avoid 99% of all "christians" and church.
Angel Morris
A thorn in your flesh is a fleshly habit that you can't break no matter how hard you try or how hard you pray. >messenger of satan If you haven't heard the whispers of demons and foul spirits and learned to discern them then you are naked in the middle of a battlefield.
Jaxson Hughes
>Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” Jesus say to obey the commandments to enter into life!
Is this too difficult for us? No because of Deuteronomy 30, where it says "this is not too difficult for you".
Paul says the law is a curse, and that he hates the law. Jesus says the law is a blessing, and David extols how he loves the law in the Psalms. Isn't it always the satanists who hate the law and morals and ethics, but the righteous who love them, and see life in them?
Camden Thompson
>"If you do what Jesus the Lord told you to do, go and sin no more, keep the commandments and remain in his teachings, be charitable, he will be really mad at you on judgement day and call you a worker of iniquity(sin) and throw you into hellfire!"
Carson Rivera
>only the blood sacrifice can pay for our sins this is why you dont want to go making pacts with noncorporeal entities, lest they get you to be making blood sacrifices for them, and then here we are a thousand or two years later with the blood sacrifices still going on.
reminder that the real Creator has no use for blood sacrifices since he provided it all to begin with and has no use to see his creations slaughtered allegedly for his appeasement.
no, this is the work of evil of the likes of yhvh, moloch, baal, who all attained their power through blood sacrifice.
Jeremiah Lopez
Have you not read how the Jesus and the Apostles were casting out demons left and right? And yet Paul had a demon that could not be removed even when he pleaded. The man that wrote half the New Testament admits he continually has in his ear a "messenger of satan"? The man who hates the law, and declares it to be abolished? Paulianity is a false satanic gospel.
Ryder Evans
>If you haven't heard the whispers of demons and foul spirits and learned to discern them then you are naked in the middle of a battlefield. lol if you dont have developed energy centers and a calm mind, you're naked in the middle of the battlefield. but I would not expect those who are devoid of any real understanding of spirituality to understand such aspects of spirituality, for the basis has never been cultivated properly and doesnt exist.
Connor Hughes
Modern Christians when someone helps orphans: "FILTHY RAGS!" Modern Christians when someone stops partaking in certain sins: "Works salvationist! Filthy rags. Doesnt matter if you sin 100 times, or stop. Your rightousness is filthy rags. God doesnt see the difference between a christian who sells everything to help poor people, and me fornicating daily. Its all filthy menstrual rags"
Meanwhile David:
Psalm 18:20 >20The LORD has rewarded me according to my righteousness; He has repaid me according to the cleanness of my hands. 21For I have kept the ways of the LORD and have not wickedly departed from my God.…
Psalm 119 King James Version
>119 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord. >2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. >3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways. >4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently. >5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes! >6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments. >7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
>And yet Paul had a demon that could not be removed even when he pleaded. this is because when you have no real spiritual power, you cant command spirits away. but when you have cultivated energy centers and even a modicum of power, you can easily command most spirits away.
the meme of god having fucked mary and that produced jesus is a trick to try and preclude you from ever thinking you can have spiritual attainments.
Anthony Clark
>Paulianity is a false satanic gospel. This is correct, SPaul's subversion was all too successful and helped result in the meme church that exists today that has little understanding of the real historical figure of jesus
Kevin Anderson
a lot of satanist say they owe it all to paul.
truth is, read gospel of barnabus, and you'll understand; jesus was used. by the devil, though paul and peter, and the catholic church and protestant churches.
here is the deal: jesus was a messenger of god; he for told or mohamed and the son of man/son of god who is to save humanity from hell, satan's rule on earth; the messiah, mankind's first real king.
mohamed was a messenger of god too.
jesus is/was not god, the son of god, or the messiah; and not king of the jews.
all people on this earth are suppose to obey the laws given to moses and mohamed; and worship jehovah.
that is it; all religion is bullshit.
everything in the last 2000 is basically deception by the ruling classes.
if you do not obey the laws given to moses; you're cursed.
the bible is a contract between mankind and the kingdom of heaven.
you will go through tribulation; ww3 cause you failed to follow/obey the laws given to moses; like kill the sodomites, kill anyone who worships another god other than jehovah, like satan. etc. etc. etc.
you fucked yourselves by being retarded.
Nathan James
epic opinions from jews and muslims this
Ryder Collins
surely somewhere among the written history of antiquity there exists modicum evidence to suggest patricians sought means of controlling their plebslaves
Aiden Cooper
Pretty accurate assessment of 90% of churchgoers sadly. It is just a show for most people.
Yep this is the conspiracy. That the Church of Rome gained tremendous political power (despite Jesus warning against this goal that Peter had in mind). And it removed pagan spiritual power from Europe, while giving little spiritual nourishment to most people who seeked it, as the Priests were gatekeepers. Followers of Pauliniaty were taught things to support the power of the church and political powers.
Read the controversy at least.
Lincoln Moore
its a whole nother level when you reach the level of having your enemies pray to your magick lodge egregore
Joseph Ortiz
what controversy? that you dont understand the bible and that you think it contradicts itself?
Isaac Baker
>Followers of Pauliniaty were taught things to support the power of the church and political powers. Yes, this is just like expecting an Attorney to uphold whatever the fuck the BAR says should be. And then we consider that BAR means British Accredited Registry, and wonder just how it is that The City of London controls our law.
Joseph Scott
Yea I admit that is an odd distinction. I've never personally seen one that couldn't be cast out, unless the person involved didn't want it cast out. That is interesting.
Add to that a firm foundation. Without that one is like a ship captained by a blind man drifting in a hurricane. The basis for understanding COULD exist if the person in question has some modicum of understanding of the spirit. To give someone like that advanced wisdom without hand holding them would be mean spirited, lel. Would be like going to the local bouncy castle and telling some kid he's ready for halo jumps.
Jace Jenkins
you dont understand the difference between doing good works because you think it will contribute to your salvation, and doing good works because you are saved and the bible commands saved believers to do good works
Carson Turner
>Also modern christian insist that every deed done by a non-christian is a filthy rag. Doesnt matter if an unbeliever is having compassion and helping homeless people, widows and orphans. Let's flip the script. Let's say this hypothetical person does all these wonderful things. But they never believed on Jesus Christ's sacrifice. Do you believe they'll go to heaven, assuming they really have done genuinely stunning good deeds their entire life?
Read through a few of these. Are you really going to cope through each one, or admit there is contradictions?
A Contradiction - One of Many: Mark 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist. John 3:22-24 before the arrest of John the Baptist.
Isaiah Hughes
>if the person in question has some modicum of understanding of the spirit. understanding of the spirit comes through meditation and spiritual cultivation exercises, it cannot be grasped intellectually
Jace Price
this yolo stuff is retarded
Justin Hall
Yeah, the deeper you dig into Christianity you figure out it was mainly a Pauline-Roman creation.
The actual historical Jesus was some weird doomsday cult guy like Bart Ehrman says. He was a full Jewish preacher who thought the end was coming, never called himself the son of God, and would be seething if he could see the movement he created today stripped of most kikery. He would send all gentile Christians straight to hell for even claiming they no longer need the Jewish laws.
Big LOL if the kike God and his religion turn out to be the real one of this simulation and that's what happens to Christoid NPCs after they get them old shades pulled forever.
Michael Sanders
no because petty seeming contradictions that actually aren't contradictions arent worth my time Mar 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Jesus coming into galilee isnt the same as him beginning the ministry, in john 3 which happens earlier, they're in judea which is a different region just goes to show how dumb these "contradictions" are but go on
Zachary Moore
>Also modern christians seems to take offense at any notion of actually keeping the commandments or teachings of Jesus Christ, Spot on. I've found churches that are trying to fix this but even their congregations are full of legalistic knuckleheads that are super tuned into the letter of the law, and every strange novel that is tangentially related to scripture ("ill read someone else's interpretation instead of reading the frigging book for myself") who then, ironically, have the nerve to turn around and tell someone who is being an example and living to the pattern set forth by Christ that they are "trying too hard to be christian, it shouldn't be like that"
But, those churches are trying hard to fix things and have a decent amount of people with understanding. I've noticed that it seems that we are in a season of people being set apart, since January ive met a ton of guys who have received wewlad revelations and gifts of the spirit and have left their careers to walk in the path of Jesus Christ, making disciples of men and casting out demons.
Ethan Gomez
>no because to acnowledge my circular reasonings btfo my time
Jack Martinez
Hæl Woden, Sæl Woden
Aiden Thomas
> Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments. >“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Jesus literally saying that the Law of Moses brings life. Paul is the one teaching belief and grace, and Easy Believism, where it's okay to sin and just don't worry about it, hehe.
Aiden Parker
>they were in judea, then john was put in prison, and then they went to galilee LE CONTRADICTION!!
William Edwards
>"because you are saved" There is no once saved always saved. You must keep the faith until the end. The biblical answer is those who dont believe are condemned already, see john 3:16-19.
But paul says here:
>6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.”a 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger.
And Jesus says: Jesus is Coming …11Let the unrighteous continue to be unrighteous, and the vile continue to be vile; let the righteous continue to practice righteousness, and the holy continue to be holy.” 12“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done.
I believe without believing in Jesus you will have no forgiveness of sin and will stand condemned.
