Why are governments in free countries starting to limit our choices?

This is just another WEF/UN & Green New Deal power play which will absolutely backfire.

>Commiefornia will swing red within the decade
>Not enough Lithium on earth to satiate the EV
>low income and most middle class people will be forced out of vehicle ownership - see point 1
>recycling lithium is extremely difficult & expensive
>to meet projected EV ownership, the US would need to build 1000 coal plants
>coal is a no-no (in their book), but hey it's for EV so its ok we will not talk about it much in the media
>EV vehicles require more raw resources to manufacture
>Lithium strip mining is amazingly bad for the environment
>EV vehicle manufacturing 'carbon footprint' is far greater than ICE

The WEF knows all that. The NPC...not so much. In other news, Australian banks just announced that they will no longer grant car loans for ICE vehicles. Of course, Australia is also one of the leaders in WEF/UN policy (((idea))) testing.

>Commiefornia will swing red within the decade
I fucking wish, but this shithole state has perfected the voting game perfectly. They don't have voter ID and will fight any attempts to have it.

Oh, no. Some state that I don't live in announced some new policy? Time to absolutely seethe about it while having zero intelligent discussion on how to insulate myself from it on the off chance that it gets passed at the federal level and actually affects me.

>likely just the sale of new gas cars to consumer markets.
Yeah, it's a ban on the sale of new gas only cars, with 20% of sales allowed to be plug in hybrids.

Should have annexed silicon valley so wallow in shit and great the great state of Jefferson.

>and great the great
create the great
Really should proofread before posting.

Tic toc ice cucks.

I know exactly how to deal with you ev /n.iggers when the time comes.

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move to Afghanistan

what caliber
where do you aim for

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>Tic toc ice c-ACK

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>comparing factory new explosive vehicles to tyrones clapped out shitbox again

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Don't care. You're being brainwashed and it's hilarious how much you slop up the goy Propaganda.

Drive ze pod, eat ze bugs, take the vaxx, cuck.

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keeo the political questions off of /o.
hell half of you fuckers dont even know more than surface-level magazine wrenchlet bullshit anyways. Just go about your autistic little NPC lives and stop coming here for your power fantasies until you have something valuable to contribute.

Because net zero by 2050 means countries have to actually make changes to meet the target

All legislatures are doing is passing laws that help them reach their net zero targets.

why does it take 4 hours to put out?

>refineries and dirty industries still lying and dodging regs
>plastic production and waste management fucked
>implying top GDP countries actually give a shit
kek

We're living in an illusion of choice anyway. What realistic choice for mobility do you have right now, besides driving a gasoline car or drivng a diesel car? Does your city have a train station with regular and useful service? Does it have light rail? Are the buses any good? Is walking or bicycling safe and comfortable where you live? Where's the choice?

I often wonder if these anons that push this green new deal shit are bots, paid shills, or worse, true believers.

>Don't do one thing until you've done another thing!

tragic bait, all this shit falls flat on its face. nobody has budged since the 70s EPA moves because the threats arent immediate enough to force change. Thats how government works retard. Stock up and brace for the end.

I would go with true believers. Delusion and a lack of critical thinking is the plague of the 21st century.

All cars are very thin shhets of metal or polymer. So anything high power like rifle rounds would do the trick. Even a shotgun slug. Battery packs for the Tesla are are the bottom.

Because lithium keeps reigniting under water and even three weeks after the fire.
If you're trapped by a lithium fire you're basically done.

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>just a new-from-manufacturer sales ban
>just

oh so as long as you can keep your shitbox running forever it's okay

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The amount of bots should not be underestimated, they can be ran quite efficiently via a private residential IP proxy on VPNs.
You only need like a TB or 2 of RAM to run a language comprehension neural network.
Considering how expensive EVs are and how many idiots are ready to buy that crap, that costs basically nothing

>oh so as long as you can keep your shitbox running forever it's okay
You're retarded if you thought it wouldn't end up like that one day.

no fucking WAY there's gonna be enough lithium and electrical production to sustain EVs.
Unless they're better on metro areas to get modified for microcars and bicycles there's no fucking way this is gonna pan out, californians can't live without their cars and clearly haven't thought this shit through.

is this what amerisharts call 'pilpul'

It's going to be complete disaster just like how Europe is being forced to go cold turkey onto renewables right now.

>In other news, Australian banks just announced that they will no longer grant car loans for ICE vehicles
It's one literal who bank that's always been charging out ahead on the greenie front. None of the legacy institutions or finance institutions that have any influence at all have announced such a thing, yet.

Progress requires action, it doesn't matter how angry and confused this makes you. The next generation will all drive cleaner safer electric vehicles and think how strange it is when the see some antique 1920's tech gas engine rumbling down the street because an old-timer can't let go.

Based. The world moves on. Horse riders are left to seethe in the dust.

Your daily reminder that the WEF have millions of peoples deaths on their hands.

Their policies almost always force countries taking their loans to cease internal trade and economic development in favor of foreign corporations setting up shop and directing the countries economic decisions.

Which in turn almost always ends in famine, and huge income inequality.

>free countries

>cleaner
>safer

hahahaha

>Why are governments in free countries starting to limit our choices?
>starting to limit our choices
>starting to limit
>starting
nigger, where the fuck have you been for the past 100 years

governments can say tomorrow "all cars are illegal" and automakers have no choice but to comply, lobbying be damned

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>western countries
>"""free"""
lol
lmao

My beloved OP, I sorry but you're clearly retarded. First of all you're not free to destroyed the environment. You can let niggers destroy your asshole like you always do, the atmosphere on the other end belongs to us all so you shouldn't fuck it up. Second, electric cars are way superior to ICE cars, they're way faster, smoother and quieter, so they're the superior choice of the refined gentleman.

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>this isn't USSR right?
USSR banned gas-powered cars in favor of electric cars?

Why do you Any Forumstards have to inject your retarded political takes into everything. No, this isn't communism. No, anything you don't like isn't communism. No, liberalism is not communism either. Cease your dumbassery fool.

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Spoken like a lib-mung

>USSR banned gas-powered cars in favor of electric cars?
No they just made it impossible to even get a car without being affiliated with the Soviet communist(jewish) party.

>Communist doesn't understand allegory
Pottery

>POL POL POL POL POL POL

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Because very rich people dont like traffic jams on the roads.

youtube.com/watch?v=iP_d-tWQTJ4

CA politicians are legitimately insane. They make Pelosi look normal and we’ll adjusted.

>Commiefornia will swing red within the decade
user I…

>You WILL explode in your BEV and be happy

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>Not enough Lithium on earth to satiate the EV
This is a myth, lithium is extremely common, the US alone has significant resources, and other common elements can be used instead of lithium like sodium.
Lithium is also able to be recycled profitably, battery recycling just needs to scale up over the next 35 years for when the oldest mass-market BEV batteries start to age out of their secondary uses.

>low income and most middle class people will be forced out of vehicle ownership
The $25k Chevy Bolt is easily affordable new by almost anyone with a job, and other than Tesla used BEVs are very affordable, able to be found under 15k.

>to meet projected EV ownership, the US would need to build 1000 coal plants
LOL, no. We're going to build clean power plants like nuclear reactors. Coal is too expensive to be competitive.
I'm really not sure why anyone would buy into this idea that somehow driving cars that use Saudi Oil at 1350 Wh/mi is more sustainable than cars that use 250 Wh/mi from American Nuclear Power.

>EV vehicles require more raw resources to manufacture
Only because most EVs today are slightly heavier than their internal combustion competition. Lightweight BEVs like the Aptera Paradigm are the future.

>Lithium strip mining
Lithium is a by-product reducing waste from more traditional mining, but is more often today extracted from brine by means of membranes that filter out the lithium containing salts from the water.

>EV vehicle manufacturing 'carbon footprint' is far greater than ICE
This is true, at least for heavy EVs, however once they are on the road ICE cars lifetime carbon footprint can blow by an equivalent EV is less than a year.
EVs are much cleaner than their equivalent fossil fuel competition.
A typical gas car emits somewhere around 333 grams of CO2 every mile driven.
On the US energy grid an equivalent 4 mile a kWh EV emits about 87 grams of CO2 a mile.
The grid is getting cleaner, and EVs are getting more efficient.

>train
>light rail
>bus
>walking or bicycling
All exist but are rendered unusable.

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Its new gas car sales only.

In 10 years, new gas cars wont be a thing anymore in EU/China. Only handful of states in US are targeting 2035 for new gas car sales ban.

>Coal is too expensive to be competitive.

Number of US coal plants built in last 5 years :4

Number of US nuke plants built on last 5 years: 0

>Too expensive

Yes, I know the Coal industries green washing lobbying has effectively banned the building of new clean Nuclear Power.
Because they know if they were held to the same regulatory standards they'd be out of business.

The first of the next-generation of even cheaper and safer reactors are being built.
Because it is cheaper, and coal's lobbying power isn't nearly what it was even 5 years ago.
Small Modular Reactors are going to be mass produced to provide base load.

>Lightweight BEVs like the Aptera Paradigm are the future.

>you vill buy the egg but not own it and you vill enjoy it too!

This shit will never pass any safety regs, its a lost cause.

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>CA banned gas cars

Lmao the power grid can't even handle normal loads

The Aptera is engineered like a Formula 1 car. The only thing that makes it potentially unsafe are regulations that greatly favor overly heavy 9001 lbs slabs.
Stop subsidizing super-heavy vehicles that damage the road and increase costs to taxpayers, and lightweight vehicles will become the norm.

>Building nuclear reactors

Woah there boy, dont get your hopes up. Westinghouse is bankrupting themselves in Georgia right now, and NRC regs basically ban new construction.

It will because it's 3 wheel.

Regulations can and will be changed, the coal industry doesn't have the lobbying power that they used to. They won't be able to keep out competition that's cheaper per kWh anymore.
Also Georgia is about to have a state government much more friendly to zero carbon energy.

They need a reminder on occasion

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>you vill buy the egg but not own it
Somebody hasn't read up on Aptera's policies on Right to Repair. Its using basically all off-the-shelf components anyone can get. You'll have total control over it.
Means it doesn't support the fastest charging, but it doesn't have to because its more than twice as efficient compared to other EVs.

>you vill enjoy it too!
Its a car that weighs less than a Miata, with power delivery like a Golf R, and electric acceleration.
Yeah, its going to be a blast to drive.

>cars
>freedom from government opression
AYYY LEMAO

Your car has been taxed by the government, it's registered by the government, driving without the government cuckstamp on front and rear bumper is illegal, you can only use it when the government allows it after taking a government test (which you have to pay the government for), the government reserves every right to rob you of the goverment-issued priviledge of driving on a whim and you can only use it on government-owned roads (paid for by money the government stole from you).

Cars = centrally planned transportation, aka communism

Does it have built in radio modems that report back data to the manufacturer?

>Regulations can be changed

Ahahaha hahahaha

*Ahem*

AHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

Mate, you have no idea what you're talking about.

lol, you have guns and a supposed "majority" and did nothing, coward

1.Climate change propaganda, how humans caused "climate change".
2.The pollution caused by fossil fuels. This is what majority of countries want to reduce and citizens who reject biofuels like ethanol, ethanol-diesel, second gen biodiesel(including HVO100) and vegetable oil, butanol etc. only make things worse and cause governments to put more restrictions on cars . ICE tehnology itself is not the issue, its only the fossil fuels.
youtube.com/watch?v=RtNCWwAGmLw

>damage the roads
You’re beyond retarded. 100% of the west on roads is from heavy duty vehicles like Semi’s and fire trucks. Even the most jacked up Chevy doesn’t make a dent

In blue states you don’t have to do any of that. Just have brown skin and police aren’t allowed to touch you

t. social parasite who never worked more than 6 months anywhere, talking nonsense with a belly filled with food that his mommy bought and cooked for him

t. obese projector who thinks of himself as the enemy of globohomo while enabling the largest globohomo shit ever invented (automobile)

It's almost like this is what the people they represent want. This policy was first announced in 2020 and is just getting finalized almost 2 years later.

> Made
mate getting a car pre-ussr was as impossible as well, USSRs car scarsity resulted in production capacity just not being there due to wish to keep prices too low

same as ps5 for past two years

There are legitimate concerns about the price of lithium, it isn't that common considering how much even a 77 kWh needs (thousands of smartphones worth). Having to refine it from old batteries would multiply the price by a factor.

The Bolt has a 250mile range on a good day, which means on a bad day that will be 125 - that's basically useless. Don't give 2 shits about your "muh 50 miles a day". So you're like a slave to your shortest possible daily route? Amazing!

EVs are expensive enough as it is, this is literally just a plot to reduce the amount of cars. Carbon emissions induced global warming is a fucking joke of a hypothesis anyway, that's just another fearmongering campaign to reduce the quality of life of common people. Besides personal cars are the last culprit in those emissions. Also we have a lot bigger issues like actual pollution, ie microplastics.

Keep quoting completely unrelated facts like energy density to seem smart tho, fucking jackass.

Biofuel ICE is never going to beat fossil fuel ICE because the subsidies for fossil fuels make it so much cheaper, and most of the world can't produce enough biofuel.
This is why BEVs are winning, because they are much cheaper to drive even without subsidies, and even when states put ridiculous fees on them like 50k miles of 'gas tax' annually.

Also, human created climate change is real, and is the only working theory that explains the trends that have been observed.

Hydrogen fuel is a very realistic alternative

No it's fucking not - we can't even predict the weather and you think your law of averages where you just say that the next year is going to be the same as the one before gives you accurate projections for 50 years? Get a grip smoothbrain.

>Cars = centrally planned transportation, aka communism

The cool thing about cars is you could go with them places the government doesn't know you're at

Your stoner take that cars = communism also falls apart when you faggots suggest rail lines as replacements, which are 1000x more centralized

A train can't take me to pic related on a whim

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Politicians are just peddling this shit to get elected like always, riding the trendy new controversy
When the time comes they just step back and move the deadline a couple of years, continue to push half-baked legislation so it looks like they're doing something, and then retire and disappear
So their succesor can step in and undo it all again

>A train can't take me to pic related on a whim
the car can because the government had a whim and built a road there kek

corn-syrup niggas really think asphalt roads are part of the natural landscape

I have a government oppression story

Here in Manitoba all car insurance is controlled by one provincially owned insurance company.

Back about 15 years ago, the same stupid three indian teenagers were stealing everyones car and joyriding them, so the solution was to mandate that everyone in the province who wanted to continue insuring their car had to have an immobilizer installed. There was only one shop that got the (((contract))) and you had to split the $400 or close to that amount with the insurance company. About a week after this was announced, the internet leaked info about how to easily defeat the immobilizer so the cars can continue to be stolen and joyridden, and a large percentage of the cars started having massive electronic system failures from this chinktech that got forced in.

How someone isn't in jail for this, and how quickly this got memory holed are both fucking amazing.

I really really really fucking hate indians. to be clear, I mean feather indians, not dot ones.

>it isn't that common considering how much even a 77 kWh needs
Its one of the most common elements on Earth, and a 100 kWh battery pack needs a few kg.
Lithium makes up maybe 2% of the mass of an NMC lithium ion battery pack.
LFP batteries which are now the most common in affordable BEVs use even less lithium.
Sodium-ion batteries now match the energy density of LFP, and are set to take over.

>Having to refine it from old batteries would multiply the price by a factor.
On the contrary, re-using materials from old batteries is cheaper than extracting new raw materials, and there are no issues from re-using the lithium in new batteries.

>that's basically useless.
Bolt's 60kWh battery pack at slightly better than 4 miles a kWh is more than enough to cover 95% of driving. It may not be a 100% car, but its far from useless and the main thing that lets it down is its charging curve.
Its still more than capable of daily use, with enough range to never have to worry about charging away from home on all local trips.

>Carbon emissions induced global warming is a fucking joke of a hypothesis
It is one of the most rigorously tested and demonstrated theories today.
If you're familiar with Science, you will be aware that a theory is as good as it gets.

>reduce the quality of life of common people.
How exactly is not having fossil fuels belching pollution into the air constantly and instead running on clean sources of energy like Nuclear Power going to 'reduce the quality of life'?

>Also we have a lot bigger issues like actual pollution, ie microplastics.
Reduce the subsidies that fossil fuels receive, and alternatives to plastics will be more competitive.

>personal cars are the last culprit in those emissions
They're one of the largest sources 3.5GT annually, and they have the advantage of having a mature, desirable, powertrain technology ready to go.
Net effects of eliminating fossil fuel powered cars could halve emissions by 2050.

>I don't want the government telling me what to do
>But I'm fine with corporations telling me I can only buy gas and diesel cars for the last 100 years

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>and the main thing that lets it down is its charging curve
This. How does a 60 kWh battery not hold 50 kW up to 80%? It's 50 god damn kilowatts.

>the government built these roads like 70 years ago. check mate

Wowie, really put a dent in my point, you dummy

>Hydrogen fuel is a very realistic alternative
Producing hydrogen uses even more electricity than charging a car, and FCEVs are only about half as efficient as BEVs.
It might become an alternative for the 5% of trips that require extending range in a ~60kWh car, but no one is going to be daily driving on hydrogen.
In my 60kWh BEV I can't see hydrogen fill ups being that much more convenient than fast charging to justify 2x the cost.

>No it's fucking not
Deny it all you want, the findings of climate science are well supported.
Right up there with other branches of science that are targeted by far-right denial like biology, or gravity.

>The cool thing about cars is you could go with them places the government doesn't know you're at
Lol, imagine thinking this. The interstate system has been covered in cameras for a while now, along with large portions of US and state highways, even in rural states.

>On the contrary, re-using materials from old batteries is cheaper than extracting new raw materials, and there are no issues from re-using the lithium in new batteries.
this is a false statement
>They're(personal cars) one of the largest sources 3.5GT annually
also completely false

Cant blame normal car drivers on this. Big oil succesfully fought against biofuels and won in the history times.

With something like thorium reactors the amount of energy required isn't an issue.

Far-left is denying biology buddy. Far-right conspiracies are mostly about social dynamics, but you don't have to know that.
We have absolutely no way to calculate what either the planet itself or the sun are doing or going to do, so putting this false confidence in a doomsday hypothesis as fact is moronic at the best of times. We have to accept our own powerlessness and just adapt whatever comes our way - just because we can send electrons from one side of the ball to the other doesn't mean we're even remotely in control.

Things aren't false just because you want them to be false.

The only reason why recycling EV batteries isn't more common today is there aren't very many that need recycling, and secondary uses are currently more cost-effective than recycling.
A 70% degraded 60kWh EV battery still holds 42 kWh, and if it has 4 battery modules each of those modules can be re-used for 10kWh of home storage.

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Good god, we're talking about refining lithium out of used batteries, not replacing dead cells...

>The interstate system has been covered in cameras for a while now

They're traffic cameras, retard, they're not designed to read plates or pay attention to individual vehicles

Pilot programs for road surveillance exist but there is no concrete mass scale implementation of these systems. I live in Commiefornia which should at a forefront of such measures but I could drive from SF to San Jose, across the entire bay area with ZERO government eyeballs on my particular vehicle. You know how I know this is the case? Because it's illegal here.

But go ahead and keep trying keeping to convince me I'm an oppressed sheep tied down to a government system because I could get in my car and drive anywhere I want.

>With something like thorium reactors the amount of energy required isn't an issue.
Anything that lowers the price of electricity to produce hydrogen, also reduces the cost to daily drive on electricity.

>Far-left is denying biology buddy.
Don't see how. Biology is really messy, trying to stuff biological reality into neat boxes is never going to work.
Whole reason why evolutionary biology started using cladistics instead of the old classification systems.

>Far-right conspiracies are mostly about social dynamics
From where I'm sitting they're all about the mega-wealthy attempting to secure control of society, but every time they try to use the far-right to do that they wind up getting burned. The German elite basically destroyed Germany by backing far-right authoritarians.

>We have to accept our own powerlessness
LOL, no. Americans are never going to give in to that kind of loser talk.

Yes, and getting the lithium out of old cells and recylcing those cells is cheaper than extracting the raw materials for new batteries.
You're just plain wrong about the facts.

This is a rapidly moving and developing segment of the market. Try to keep up.

Where is the money going to come from to build them? The US is broke if you haven't noticed. Also, cheaper kWh than fossil? What are you smoking bruh

>personal cars are the last culprit in those emissions
>They're one of the largest sources 3.5GT annually, and they have the advantage of having a mature, desirable, powertrain technology ready to go.
Net effects of eliminating fossil fuel powered cars could halve emissions by 2050.
>post a picture showing personal cars represent 25% of 25% using a questionable definition of 'personal car'

overstating and exaggeration are the prime ways to represent yourself as an imbecile who should be ignored

>and getting the lithium out of old cells and recylcing those cells is cheaper
is it?
are you REALLY SURE about that statement?
you aren't just saying this because it 'makes sense' right?
someone isn't going to come along in ten minutes and post a link to something that completely shows you pulling shit out of your ass, right?

Now you're just being obtuse on purpose
I'll belive it when I see it, but that just isn't the reality today

Paid quality shilling 7/10

You realize a single cargo ship holds millions of gallons of heavy fuel oil and burns it by the ton right? Are you really complaining about our 12 gallon fucking gasoline tanks.
Retard I hope I get to push a knife into your throat while shushing you

Do you know what a 'net effect' is?
3.5GT is only the direct emissions from the cars.

If the general public aren't driving gas cars that means there will be more electrical infrastructure that would also support electric trucks.
More electric infrastructure means more power plants being built to produce cheaper electricity.
Cheaper electricity means more nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro electric.
Electric personal cars and road freight means less fossil fuel production, which means less fugitive emissions from fossil fuels.

That's not even including the chunk of ocean freight that is transporting fossil fuels.

>are you REALLY SURE about that statement?
Yes, I am really sure about that. Bulk recycling of EV batteries is cheaper than extracting the raw materials. There are already companies operating profitably recycling lithium ion batteries with the main customer for the materials being new battery manufacture.
As I've said, the main reason EV battery recycling is not a thing yet is because after their 20 year automotive portion of their lifespan they remain useful for secondary applications for several decades more.
With mainstream EVs only starting to appear about 5 years ago it will be ~35 years before EV batteries need to start being recycled at scale.

Despite the fact that it would be cheaper, there just aren't really any EV batteries yet that need to be recycled.

>or pay attention to individual vehicles
Lol, do you really think that software can't do basic pattern matching with vehicles?

>You know how I know this is the case? Because it's illegal here.
lol

>But go ahead and keep trying keeping to convince me I'm an oppressed sheep tied down to a government system because I could get in my car and drive anywhere I want.
Most people aren't even willing to drive an hour down a lower maintenance gravel road. I've in the vehicle with someone who was pissed off about the wear it would be putting on their truck. You are 100% tied to a government system.

As much as a third of cargo ship emissions are from oil tankers transporting fuel to fill those 12 gallon fuel tanks.
Phase out gas cars for BEVs and you phase out those cargo ships.

The funniest part about that bitch is she was a veteran and 100% knew that the US government doesn't play fuck fuck games with secure areas, but decided to play fuck fuck games anyways.

About 10 %of the state is registered to vote and only a fraction of that goes and vote. The last vote to repeal the gas tax via proposition lost because the state did all it could to confuse the language of the bill to trick voters into keeping the gas tax on the books. Even then it barely lost. If a proposition was put on the ballot called "keep your car act" that would roll back carb's powers and end these attempts to ban ice, all the Hispanics in socal would overwhelmingly support it.

>Despite the fact that it would be cheaper
please consider this statement more carefully

I am not aware of any car manufacturers that are non-profit, charitable organizations that donate funds to the needy
it was my understanding that a company, like ford for instance, would be publicly traded and seek the greatest profit for it's shareholders
are you attempting to imply that tesla chooses to make less money so they can not recycle batteries?
ford stopped selling their electric truck when they couldn't get enough batteries, you would think they would explore every option to make as much as possible

redefine things to fit your narrative and you can make an argument against anything

yeah people aren’t pushing back so they can get away with everything now

The interstate system was built on top of the dirt roads that preceded it. There's still plenty of roads that are not covered in cameras and accessible by 4wd.

>and only a fraction of that goes and vote
In the immortal words of Neil Peart, if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

>lol

Yeah just an "lol" for the explanation why the government isn't tracking shit in any real capacity

Even speed cameras are banned here.

But I'm sure you'll tell me they're actually not and people are receiving none existent speeding tickets from cameras tracking them

> I've in the vehicle with someone who was pissed off about the wear it would be putting on their truck. You are 100% tied to a government system.

The original point, which still stands, is that someone who drives a personal car is way more free from government intrusions/tracking than someone taking public transportation

Millions of miles of roads are not magically disappearing over night even if the Government goes away. Ironically, public transportation probably would

>government having power over anything that they don't need power over
>government stealing from everyone claiming it to be taxes only to give the money away to foreigners and pedophiles in state
>free
Oh user...

>cars and trucks exceeding maritime and aviation combined by a factor of three
oh no vroombros how will we recover?

its designed that way so only those who can afford the rising cost can travel freely

>are you attempting to imply that tesla chooses to make less money so they can not recycle batteries?
No, I'm implying that there are no EV batteries for them to recycle yet. Even Leaf batteries are still better to re-use than recycle. The vast majority of EVs have been made in the last 5 years, and their batteries have an estimated 40 year life before they'll need to be recycled.
Its like aluminum is cheaper to recycle than it is to extract, but initially there wasn't enough stuff made from aluminum that needed to be recycled for recycled aluminum to make up a significant contribution to the supply chain.

Ford can't conjure old EV batteries to recycle because they just started mass producing BEVs a few years ago.

>But I'm sure you'll tell me they're actually not and people are receiving none existent speeding tickets from cameras tracking them
So you think that because they can't ticket people for speeding, the government isn't tracking movement on popular roads? Private companies with much more limited resources than the government have been tracking people in tons of ways for years now.

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If you look into the CA vote patterns, there is always a 30% of the vote that votes against all the worthless leftist faggots and their policies, but they are always overruled and can only watch as shit slowly goes to shit. For one example, look up the 2014 ballot proposition 14 in commiefornia.

while california has absolutely garbage tier public transport outside of SF. they still need wagies to be able to get to their wagecage.

Then just move?

Correction proposition 47.

Starting?

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Commiefornia

Build tooling for Ford, Stellantis, Tesla, Rivian, Lucid to name a few. Rivian owner RJ stated we are screwed coming soon. Chip shortage bLaH blah. Battery/material shortage…5-10x worse than chips. Just hasn’t caught up yet. Thank god we get a $8k rebate on our new EV purchase and thanks Ford for marking up $8k on the price right after the Gov announcement.

>Millions of miles of roads are not magically disappearing over night even if the Government goes away.
No, but every local petty-despot could barricade the roads to extract tolls, and without constant routine maintenance by governments those roads would fall apart pretty quickly.

>Ironically, public transportation probably would
Don't be so sure, if the Federal Government went away, cities would still be around and wouldn't have the federal money supporting building interstates distorting their priorities. Plus they would be doing everything they can to limit size and weight of personal vehicles to lower maintenance costs, probably see a return of the local street cars that went away because of lobbying of the Federal Government by car manufacturers.
You'd also see a return of rail road companies operating passenger lines because without the competition from roads it would be profitable.
Maintenance on rail lines is way cheaper.

Also air travel would become an absolute mess without the Federal air traffic control system. Which would be another boon for rail.

That doesn't fix the underlying problem and eventually it'll follow you to wherever you flee too. Whatever is done in CA is what they want for the rest of the country.

>oh no, 60% of the population voted for something I didn't want, now I'm going to seethe endlessly about it online rather than leaving for somewhere where the battle for what I want wasn't already lost long ago

>All exist but are rendered unusable.
Exactly, because you can't pander to driving without throwing all other modes of transport under the wheels, figuratively and literally.

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Kids went outside into that from the 1960's all the way up to the the early 2000's. Culture dramatically changed which caused a behavior shift, not environment.

>Just runaway and let the communist go unopposed.

Completely wrong, the parkinglotification only began in the '60s.

>having your brain so fried by escapist hero fantasy media that you think you'll make a difference in a state of 39 million people where a super majority of the voting population supports policies you significantly disagree with and the rest of the adult population isn't bothered enough by the status quo to vote

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If they banned the uh… “vibrant” people from public transit we wouldn’t have this problem. Unfortunately that’s out of the question and if I try riding a bike it will 100% get stolen so I’m left with cars as the only option.

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Ok, even if cities fell back on rail like in the 19th century, roads would still be around, even if decayed to little more than dirt tracks. The automobile took the place of the horse and wagon, and would remain the primary method of travelling medium to short distances, especially outside of major metropolitan areas. It might even make the "size race" worse as people buy SUV's and pickups that can cope with gnarly, unfunded roads.

did these kids have a choice you fucking RETARD
smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/children-born-near-fracking-sites-have-an-increased-risk-for-leukemia-180980641/

What about the side effects of lithium and graphite mining in China and Africa, do they have a choice when they're even being used as modern slave labor?

Smithsonianmag is also directly funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and many of it's writers are directly in partnership with the World Economic Forum, but go ahead and shill that garbage here thinking we don't know better.

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Let's consider possible motivations for a second:

>1. They are stupid enough to actually believe it will matter for global warming.
>2. They think it will get them votes from idiotic constituents who actually believe it will matter for global warming
>3. It's an attack on conservative types that love trucks or live in oil rich areas
>4. It's a geopolitical move against oil producing countries in the middle east, possibly pushed by Israel
>5. The oil companies did not offer large enough campaign contribution and dems are abusing power

I have no idea. Any of these seem equally possible at this point.

Keep in mind how incredibly complicated the global fossil fuel supply chain is, and how heavily subsidized they are by the Federal Government.
How many people are really going to want to drive around on crumbled nearly impassable roads paying tolls at the borders of every little fiefdom and then dealing with $15 a gallon gas prices?
Or possibly even higher considering how much more difficult it will be to transport fuel?

Cars and overland travel would pretty quickly become something only the wealthy or businesses could afford.

I doubt it. That'll be the plan, but they'll probably not be fully prepared to be able to accommodate every EV owner in the state.

California is mostly spics. Spics vote for communists and for people that will let more spics in as part of their plan to ruin the USA. It will always vote blue.

>force apartment owners to install multiple charging stations per tenant
>get surprised when everyone's rent goes up by $1000

I think you're ignoring the obvious.
Its a signal to car manufacturers they have to produce competitive electric vehicles because they won't get a bail out. This allows the state to point to the law and say "you knew this was coming".
Its an easy law to pass because the sunset date of 2035 is long past the point where purely internal combustion engine vehicles will have been obsolete by more than a decade, and comes almost two decades after the advent of affordable electric vehicles.

The oldest Tesla Model 3s will be 18 years old when the law goes into effect, and will cost inflation adjusted about what 18 year old entry level luxury sports sedans cost today.
In other words, Model 3s will be the affordable performance bargain.

>because you can't pander to driving without throwing all other modes of transport under the wheels, figuratively and literally.
Thats not true. Your photo shows biggest issue as lack of multistage parking decks and result too many ground level parking lots.

either double digit iq or underage

>t. projecting

until you want to turn.

You forget that cars used to run on way shittier gas than we have now, this fine-grade stuff is, you're right, the product of massive global subsidy and demand. An internal combustion engine, adjusted properly, will run fine on pretty much any liquid hydrocarbon, and any of these hypothetical fiefdoms would do well to start manufacturing or trading with eachother for these, which is assuming of course that the state governments don't just assume control in the absence of the Fed. We don't have to get our oil from the Saudis, just like we don't need to get our coffee from Indonesia, or our fruit from Argentina. All of these "well ICE couldn't survive the apocalypse because muh fuel" scenarios are really problems with globalization, not fossil fuels themselves. Getting a hold of this fuel will in and of itself incentivize whoever uses the roads to upkeep them, for the purpose of maintaining smooth trade between whatever polities emerge in Uncle Sam's absence. The roads, and the cars that use them, are going nowhere.

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Californian here.
It's to ban the sale of combustion engine cars, but that's an actual bill not a law. The fact is nobody buys cars in California anymore. the tax is too high it's literally cheaper to travel out of state for a different vendor that don't mark up their vehicles. They tried that before but the term Electric Vehicle was a loophole on itself. If interpreted it would more likely be hydrogen that's banned, but technically gas and gasoline are different terms.

Cable broadcast news networks are always a spin, I can believe people pay extra money to view that shit.

>not realizing that oil has changed as well
10w-30 today isn't the same oil as 10w-30 even 10 years ago, and while the blends are intended to be backwards compatible so older vehicles can use modern blends, modern engines are designed solely around working with modern blends.

Based and true.

Euroniggers, why are they shilling electric cars and not installing Hydrogen stations out here instead?
tech seems solid. I want to buy a Mirai. Toyota also has got hydrogen combustion engines, so everyone is happy.

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Then the vehicles in this hypothetical scenario would have to rely on old engines. This would, for a time, make cars far less accessible, but without federal standards forcing modern efficiencies, we would fairly quickly see small companies form around building engines and vehicles able to use the available materials, environment be damned. Internal combustion engines are a very well-known technology, and I figure every other town would have somebody with the tools and knowhow to hand-build one, even if it's terrible.

>doubt they are banning all gas cars, likely just the sale of new gas cars to consumer markets

Yup it is

>Sounds like a new car market is going to come about of titling new cars and then selling them as "used" in CA with a markup for the privilege.

but user it wont make then ban used car sales as well?

>Why are governments in free countries starting to limit our choices?
What the fuck are you talking about? If you're american you have NO choices, you're forced to own a car because 99% of people basically have no options for any other transport.

oh fuck ICE sisters, ACK!

We don’t get our oil from the Saudis. We get it from C*nada

because youre not free and you havent risen up against the pedophile vampires who run the place

>limit our choices
>oh no I totally get a choice to buy a car, pay for insurance, pay for registration, pay for gas, pay for maintenace
>I really want the freedom to be burdened by a fuckin car.

Spics don’t vote which lets democrats harvest their ballots

Look at all the non-californians that cant afford a new car getting mad about this.

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>he pays for insurance
Lol cuck

first of all, Hydrogen and e-fuels that are made from CO2 collection will boom until the end of this decade

Second, see last, go back to Any Forums the only thing that "you will own nothing and be happy" is your stupid mind, companies dont care about world domination beacuse the actual geo-political system already guarantee those for them and it is more beneficitia for the to profit

>first of all, Hydrogen and e-fuels that are made from CO2 collection will boom until the end of this decade
lol no they aren't. Hydrogen is made as a byproduct of other organic synthesis. You aren't going to have it without one of the petroleum industries that makes it.

if more blue states like NY, OR and WA aprove it, they can influence the market to make less newer IC cars and more eletrics and hidrogen cars

But i am sure it will go to supreme court and probably they will say that car sale rules must be federal

>But i am sure it will go to supreme court and probably they will say that car sale rules must be federal
No why would they say that? Theres nothing unconstitutional about CA passing a bill like this because theres no specific constitutional power saying they CAN'T do it. Rather the 10th amendment gives the states the power to regulate things like this because the fed simply DOESN'T.

sorry i only drive a Toyota

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Hate ze tendencies, shill ze candidates
dIslike ze options, belive ze pol bots, cuck

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>city have a train station with regular and useful service
>viatiam flashbacks to the times we tried to finsh a single train station
>mfw my city has only (1) one single train station and all it basically does is go to a bus station to another bus station

do you ever considerated the fact that maybe some people are using bots not to support that but to opose that?

Like a dude litteraly few days ago invaded pol with a bot and some bunch of people fell into the bait

I dont belive coorpos and some stupid laws made to cash grab and put the country on debt but i somewhat feel we need cut CO2 beacuse of actual confirmed breath sickness (that i actually have)

>justifying factory new explosive vehicles burning while charging with sanchez clapped out rust bucket
COPE SEETHE DILATE ev tranny

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>POL POL POL POL POL POL
you will never be a woman

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>if you like ev cars, that means you're a tesla stan

You're thick as pig shit
Show me a video of a Volvo ev exploding then.
Just because Tesla is the Apple of car brands, and they charge a premium fee while selling a non premium product it doesn't mean all ev's are the same.

You will never have children. Go have your 50th wank of the you social parasitic rightard scum

There is a little thing called the commerce clause that gets in the way of that.

lol k

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SEETHE COPE MALD DILATE you deranged tranny faggot. you will never be a woman but you will eventually 42% yourself, faggot.

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I think that eletric cars are temporary and exept by some stupid companies that are actually selling a shit ton like VW and Tesla, most will move to Hydrogen and e-fuels until the end of decade

Both Hydrogen and e-fuels are safer, more economcial and goes with the green ecofuel energy that some people honestly (without political interests) want

its all the zero-emotions shit with less cost and no need to replace everyone´s cars

They are beacuse they decided go to war with the one country that provided them with energy

>foreign corporations setting up shop and directing the countries economic decisions.
Wow so you are telling me that a organization made by corrpos to shill corpos only help corpos, what a fucking surprise

>he thinks its all le jews fault
oy yev user, even Israel plans to phase-out gas cars and is investing on green e-fuels and green hydrogen

>Somebody hasn't read up on Aptera's policies on Right to Repair. Its using basically all off-the-shelf components anyone can get. You'll have total control over it.

This is based, i will give more look on it
fuck fiat and fuck the ones that dislike right to repair>Your car has been taxed by the government, it's registered by the government, driving without the government cuckstamp on front and rear bumper is illegal, you can only use it when the government allows it after taking a government test (which you have to pay the government for), the government reserves every right to rob you of the goverment-issued priviledge of driving on a whim and you can only use it on government-owned roads (paid for by money the government stole from you).
>Cars = centrally planned transportation, aka communism

Based take

some can, as exemple, FCC had made regulations banning the sales of some TV sports rights to cable TV, those cables TV went to court and supreme court decided to ban the TV regulations

Most of bans are on fuel-basis, europe is also banning on fuel basis mostly, in fact they will wait until 2026 (probally it will get delayed a lot until bio-fuels and hydrogen be viable (if they were already been viable by then)

as gas slowy gets away, the gas companies and those subsidies will move to efuels and green hydrogen

some efuels are looking great as well, specially the ones that depending of captation of CO2, corpos can easly sell it with the idea that, if more people use it, less CO2 will be in the air

wait until he discover about why licence plates exist and the fact that he can get ALL his data from it

Just FYI, that video is of a fairly notorious bit of insurance fraud in China with a car that was rigged to blow on camera.
Its not normal for a Tesla to go up like that, they have one of the best safety ratings.

End game for EVs is solid state batteries since they can't burn. However, cheap EVs are going to start using Sodium Ion batteries soon which are a lot more stable than lithium ion.

The production will not be the thing that will sell Hydrogen, is the fact you can transport hydrogen easier than make some ass country work 100% on eletric without need to make a fuckton of nuclear usines on it

There is a reason for Toyota, Honda and Suzuki be betting on Hydrogen and making parternship with australian companies

about hydrogen cars, they are still on early basis but recently, Renault maneged to run 497 miles with a hydrogen car, more than the most eleric car (350mi)

>without one of the petroleum industries that makes it.
that is exactly the point, they will need move away from gas and need to profit in someway, as green hydrogen gains terrains, so the gas companies will jump ship

>There is a little thing called the commerce clause that gets in the way of that.
exactly, the commerce regulations can be used on this case in point, and considerations that most of supreme court is conservative learning, they will vote in favor of abolishment of this

>TWO MORE WEEKS
>i-it's not real okay?!
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the only one that is coping is you kek

>le you will never be a woman meme
i never wished to be a woman and i get more womans than ya

>Just FYI, that video is of a fairly notorious bit of insurance fraud in China with a car that was rigged to blow on camera.

I heared of it, i also heared they do that with non-eletric cars as well, and it is getting worst as the economical crisis is growing there

People in China do anything to get easy money

>lol, they'd just hand build their own engine
God people here are fucking retarded.

>more than the most eleric car (350mi)
Current record is I believe 750 miles for the Our Next Energy tech demonstrator with the 200kWh battery on interstates in winter, but also has twice as much stored energy. Their battery tech is going into BMW's next electric SUV, which won't be nearly as efficient only having a 500 mile range.
Record for a 100 kWh car is 620 miles for the Mercedes EQXX which was under highway conditions, but it was babied quite a bit with city traffic for publicity events along that trip.
I think the record for hypermiling a Model 3 is about 600 miles from the long range 82 kWh version, but it was under controlled conditions.
Longest production range under highway conditions is 500+ miles for the Lucid Air with the 120kWh pack.
Aptera Paradigm is set to smash all those records with 1000 mile range.

>some ass country work 100% on eletric without need to make a fuckton of nuclear
Except that if you use electrolysis to produce green hydrogen and then put it into a hydrogen storage tank, you're going to need more than 2x the electricity going into the hydrogen for the same range.

The problem for hydrogen cars is packing in enough hydrogen tank capacity to provide good range on trips, while also packing in a large enough battery pack to not be constantly dependent on hydrogen.

>you can transport hydrogen easier
Fuck no. The whole point of hydrogen is that you can produce it at the point of demand just by having water and electricity and you don't have to have massive tankers transporting hydrogen around.
Eliminating tankers and truck transport of fuel is going to be a significant reduction in emissions.

Owning an EV for a few years, I just don't see the point of hydrogen as a range extender. Hydrogen is more expensive and 5 minutes vs 10 minutes for fast charging isn't that compelling a difference since you have to stand by the car when filling hydrogen.

When has the commerce clause ever been used to force states to allow a product to be sold in their state, absent a federal law mandating states allow that product to be sold?

They do really happen, but they're very rare which is why you hear about every single EV fire in the world, but you probably don't hear about the local internal combustion engine car fires when they happen.

EV rates of fire per 100k vehicles are exceptionally rare. The old ICE cope for this used to be that there were so few EVs, but now there are millions more EVs on the road every year and there hasn't been a increase in the rate of fires.

So rare.

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I might, I will never drive electric shitbox no way I'm charging this retarded piece of shit fuck this junk.

>Toyota, Honda and Suzuki be betting on Hydrogen
Toyota has been selling the Mirai for years, but they've made no attempt to expand the hydrogen fueling infrastructure or sell the Mirai outside of jurisdictions that require some percentage of zero emissions vehicles. In that time Tesla has managed to sell BEVs nation-wide and roll out a fast charging infrastructure from scratch even though hydrogen was supposed to be able to deploy more quickly to gas stations.
They're aren't betting on hydrogen, they're stalling for time hoping that they can catch up.

Important to remember Toyota is hedging their bets by also investing in development of solid state batteries around 500 Wh/kg, aiming for about 60% better than the best pack density today. When they first announced it a few years ago it was better than double the pack density, but EV tech is moving fast.
By the time they arrive the benefit of solid state may just be increased stability and safety, but sodium ion may be almost as safe while costing less.

Now look up how many internal combustion Bus fires have happened since that one.
Again, ICE fires are so common they often don't even make the local news, let alone national news.

You're right it's worse, you could have nice Lada 1600 rwd basically commie bmw 3 (after 10 year wait) unless you had money and bought second hand (second hand cars were more expensive than factory new).

>only electric cars catch on fire!
>gasoline cars never ever do this no sir!

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>Except that if you use electrolysis to produce green hydrogen and then put it into a hydrogen storage tank, you're going to need more than 2x the electricity going into the hydrogen for the same range.
>The problem for hydrogen cars is packing in enough hydrogen tank capacity to provide good range on trips, while also packing in a large enough battery pack to not be constantly dependent on hydrogen.

Toyota is also working on it and seems pretty much good at it, they did even tanks that people can carry by theyselfes and big tanks that are very resistent and fill a lot

About transport it doesnt needs to be via H2, i can use solar, wind or even a combination o those with eletrical power

I think that the future will be multi-energetic instead of a single energy that will rule all energies

as someone said recently, it will depend from where you are from, some areas will be truly full eletric, but some will use efuels or hidrogen more

hackaday.com/2022/08/02/toyotas-cartridge-helps-make-hydrogen-portable/

plasticstoday.com/automotive-and-mobility/toyota-raises-hydrogen-stakes-storage-options-trains-trucks-and-shipping

see above
Also they are investing the hidrogen for the Japanese market, remember "some ass country" well that country is Japan

Japan due geographical and ecological reasons, cant go full electric without have to bulid more coal or nuclear power plants (and obivusly those are not a option) so the only green hope for them is hydrogen and efuels

obviously they will invest on electric cars for europe and US but their man focus seems to be hydrogen cars for Japan

please tell me the driver was trapped in there

the last two years of covid-related bullshit, proved to politicians that everyone will just lie down and take it. there will never be a revolution

It's starting to feel like an experiment to see just how far they can push people before they riot then bring it back 2% carrot and stick style.

>but user it wont make then ban used car sales as well?
If they banned the sale of used cars it would cause a riot. Not only would it fuck over everyone below 6 figure incomes, it would piss off the super rich car collectors.

Exactly, so now all the CA dealers will just switch from selling new cars to selling """used""" cars with 3 miles on the odometer they buy from other dealers in Vegas or Phoenix. If the average person wants to skip the markup this brings they will just fly out and drive the cars back from out of state themselves.

It's about limiting choice from really good tried and true gasoline car that takes 1 minute to fill up to unreliable idiotic electric car. Governments know that nobody wants this junk so they have to mandate them otherwise noone would buy them especially in america where fuel is still very cheap compared to Europe.

That is a intressting question, i think car collectors may hold the used car market, but i see the govment creating a type of car licence and/or limiting those cars to events and racing tracks like MF Ghost

>as someone said recently, it will depend from where you are from, some areas will be truly full eletric, but some will use efuels or hidrogen more
Which is still dependent on electricity for production, and it seems doubtful they'll see much use outside of retro-enthusiasts since they'll use more electricity, and be more expensive than just charging a battery electric car.

>Japan cant go full electric without have to bulid more coal or nuclear power plants
They would need even more electrical generating capacity to go with hydrogen. Producing a kg uses 2-3 times as much electricity for the resulting kWh as just charging a battery, and on top of that FCEVs are roughly half as efficient. So if you have 68kWh of electricity you can drive a BEV 270 miles, or you can make 1kg of hydrogen and drive 70 miles.

Those hydrogen canisters aren't really good for automotive use btw, only about 1/10th of a kg 3.3kWh, enough to drive an FCEV about 6 miles. They may be energy dense per kg, but they're big and awkward, and you still need a fuel cell stack to get power out of them.
For automotive use you need around 5.6kg which in the Mirai takes up the entire 'transmission tunnel' and space under the seats, and even that is only roughly twice as much stored energy as a typical long range EV today.

I'm not going to write off FCEVs entirely, but they're at a real disadvantage. Its been ten years and there's still no infrastructure, and none of the FCEVs in production are very compelling when compared to BEVs in the same price range. Maybe it will turn around, but I think fuel cells are going to be a niche thing.

Japan is actually looking at next-generation nuclear reactors BTW. Fukushima was an old design that wasn't safe due to a poor decision made decades ago. The company even knew if they'd built the sea wall that was originally suggested it would have survived. New designs don't have those issues and wouldn't have been able to melt down.

They already have show and display registration for cars. It's how you get in cars that are younger than 25 years. However some rich people like to drive their cars making that registration not a choice for them.

Not the lesson at all, it proved that people will mostly be fine with restrictions during a legitimate crisis that killed a million people despite disinformation campaigns. Of course historically the same was true during the 1918 Flu pandemic which killed far more, but it was more virulent and deadly, but there was no counter-narrative spread by hostile powers back then.

>proved to politicians that everyone will just lie down and take it.
If politicians thought that they could get away with anything I think that idea was dashed when far-right candidates started losing elections they were expected to win because of turn out of voters in favor of Women's access to healthcare.
Violent uprisings really seem to be a thing of the past, all of the successful revolutions in recent years have been peaceful, popular uprisings. Like Ukraine ousting the Russian-backed regime

I think you are not getting the idea
the idea is get the H2 from a country that can produce a ton of it like Brazil or Australia, and send them due wind/solar cargo to Japan

At least in Japan, they are doing the infrestuture for FC cars and it seems to grow more and more

I get that Nuclear has some tech advancements too, but you are talking to a country that was atomic bombed twice and then suffered the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl, Atomic energy is the thing they want avoid the most in moment

>in favor of Women's access to healthcare
sorry to go pol on that user, but economics was and will be the most factor on elections

it is very likely, if economy gets worst like people are predicting, that Rs will get congress due economy

>send them due wind/solar cargo to Japan
WTF is 'wind/solar' cargo? Wind and solar are means of generating electricity, not a way of transporting it.
Transporting hydrogen makes it even less compelling since that's more energy used, and hydrogen leaks, its really hard to store long term.

>At least in Japan, they are doing the infrestuture for FC cars and it seems to grow more and more
I'll see if I can dig up the map, Japan still has way more BEV infrastructure last I knew than fuel cell infrastructure, and that's really saying something since FCEVs today are still entirely dependent on filling stations, while BEVs will rarely use public chargers.

>atomic energy is the thing they want avoid the most in moment
Except they aren't going to because there is no significant anti-nuclear power sentiment, Fukushima was entirely avoidable, and Japanese citizens are more educated about nuclear power and the real dangers of radiation.

>economics was and will be the most factor on elections
In a normal cycle yes, but this isn't a normal cycle. The Supreme Court's knocking down of Roe has really changed things. Really unexpected results are happening because of crazy turnout levels among women.

>starting to
fuck off

uh cargo ships that work on solar or by wind, you know that this is used for centuries,right user?

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Here's the flaw in that and thank you for responding to me.
If I'm considering buying a new today and want to own it for a decade. I know that in a decade the resale value will be zero. Therefore, I'm not going to buy that car. This hurts automotive companies and will cause them hardship.

My car never caught fire despite it blowing a hole in the block and dumping all the oil on the exhaust. Check mate retard

My electric mower battery started on fire though

>during a legitimate crisis
back to r/politics shill

California and the fed dems hate toyota so that why they are doing everything they can to destroy them.

This is all Exxon's fault

>that is exactly the point, they will need move away from gas and need to profit in someway, as green hydrogen gains terrains, so the gas companies will jump ship
Hydrogen is a very specific byproduct. I'm saying it only exists in specific industries that do things like oxidizing alkanes to alkenes. Hydrogen simply doesn't come from a natural source, the air or anywhere. It would be an incredible feat to somehow develop a new production process out of basically nothing that produces specifically hydrogen, doesn't actively target other things that also isn't a petroleum or organic process.

kys cultist

Fuck you. Covid killed several of my family members. Don't minimize it.

>>Carbon emissions induced global warming is a fucking joke of a hypothesis
>It is one of the most rigorously tested and demonstrated theories today.
>If you're familiar with Science, you will be aware that a theory is as good as it gets.

It is tested by government sponsored scientists and fake consensus, this bulshit is legendary. Number of hurricanes hasn't risen and they didn't get any worse, number of victims is less each time it happens all thanks to oil and ability to evacuate people quickly, imagine being stuck in hurricane zone and your idiotic electric car hasn't charged lol

>no u
Findest EV tranny COPE.

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COPE more EV tranny.

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Combustion engine buses don't explode because it's hot.

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Good. Now go take the next vaxx you retarded faggot.

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NOOOO GET THIS DATA OUT OF HERE

>GASSED
keked

The elites and oligarchs want a lease and subscription only economy.
They plot to make sure you don't "buy" anything.
You won't "buy" a gas car if it will have no value when you know you'll want to sell it.
Once you don't own anything, all your stuff will be new and updated. You'll be a prisoner to luxury forced to never step back from your work in order to maintain it. They'll have all the power over you like a slave master.

You'll own nothing and you'll like it.

My man, I didn't mean "hurr, billy bob design own engine block and mill one from steel he smelted in his back yard." A carburetor is not highly advanced technology, and there are millions upon millions of already produced engines to use as a base. And eventually somebody's gonna figure out how to actually build new ones.

ICE is here to stay, baby.

The carbuerator never stopped evolving. They are insanely complex works of art these days, regardless of whatever rudimentary form they were birthed from.

Right, but a bent soup can will do the job good enough to make it run. Not well by any means, but good enough to traverse the wasteland.

Note: the bent soup can mentioned above is hyperbole

>free country
You're fooling yourself

>I am now forced to buy something worse and this is better
you=retard

>all state vehicles must be electric
I fully support this

>This is a myth, lithium is extremely common, the US alone has significant resources
Source?
Fucking shill liar.

I'd buy electric if it was practical. No need to force me; gust make it better than gas or diesel. The van clearly implies this won't be the case and instead we'll be forced to downgrade

>Central planning works when we do it

Nigger the nuclear industry already has a liability cap of $3 billion. Meaning a nuke plant can destroy half the country and they're off the hook.

Did COVID really kill them or did the 2 years of practically not leaving home kill them?

They are all paid shills. The canadian government was giving 50,000 grants during covid for InFlUenCeRs to push pro-vaccine narratives on social medias. There are many government funded low iq bots here such as this subversive jew
Watch how he dodges and swindles every response in a disingenuous manner.

>This is a myth, lithium is extremely common,
Lie, there isn't enough to replace everyone's car with an EV. Watch how he will refuse to acknowledge this, and instead make tangential and unrelated assertions like a politician.
>The $25k Chevy Bolt is easily affordable new by almost anyone with a job, and other than Tesla used BEVs are very affordable, able to be found under 15k.
The utility of a volt is nowhere close to that of a used civic or corolla unless you never need to leave the small confines of your Toronto or California neighbourhood. These do not meet the needs of most people.
Not to mention they are not serviceable by the user, so these are extremely unfriendly to lower income people and particularly to lower income countries - but it is clear you do not care about the well being of human beings.

>LOL, no. We're going to build clean power plants like nuclear reactors.
Yes we should be building many new nuclear reactors as it is the only way to cleanly meet our energy demands. Most leftoids and climate retards have a hard time understanding this because muh chernobyl.
>>EV vehicles require more raw resources to manufacture
>Only because most EVs today are slightly heavier than their internal combustion competition. Lightweight BEVs like the Aptera Paradigm are the future.
Brainless, disingenuous and completely retarded comment. No other battery technologies are close to being viable for EVs now. The average 5 passenger EV requires significantly more resources to produce - that is a fact, kys for trying to subvert/excuse it.
I'm not done yet.

>Batteries last forever

>This is a myth, lithium is extremely common
No.
cnbc.com/2022/05/18/ev-battery-costs-set-to-spike-as-raw-material-shortages-drags-on.html

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>hydrogen
>safe
LOL!

>>Lithium strip mining
>Lithium is a by-product reducing waste from more traditional mining, but is more often today extracted from brine by means of membranes that filter out the lithium containing salts from the water.
I'm an engineer and work in the mining sector.
Lithium mines are extremely dirty and damaging to the environment, moreso than many other metal mines.
>>EV vehicle manufacturing 'carbon footprint' is far greater than ICE
>This is true, at least for heavy EVs, however once they are on the road ICE cars lifetime carbon footprint can blow by an equivalent EV is less than a year.
>EVs are much cleaner than their equivalent fossil fuel competition.
>A typical gas car emits somewhere around 333 grams of CO2 every mile driven.
>On the US energy grid an equivalent 4 mile a kWh EV emits about 87 grams of CO2 a mile.
>The grid is getting cleaner, and EVs are getting more efficient.
What a subversive kike response this is.
The lifetime emissions of an EV will in the majority of instances be greater than that of a comparable compact vehicle.

The outright carbon footprint to manufacture an EV is far greater (many multiples more).
IF (and only IF) the power grid that is used to charge the EV is sourced from renewables, which is extremely rare as of today, it would take on average 7 years for the carbon footprint of an EV to now be less than that of an equivalent compact ICE car.
HOWEVER, most EV's will require a battery change by this time is the owners drive the average of ~20k kms a year.
So if you want an EV to be better for the environment, you would need to buy a new EV, drive it for the 5-7 year lifespan that it has, only ever charge it from renewable sources of electricity, and then throw it away and start again (or buy a 30k USD battery replacement, which nobody will).

These EV shill pushers couldn't care less about the environment - and that is evident because it doesn't take more than half a brain to realize this

The only way EVs will ever become practical in my lifetime is if someone develops cheap methanol fuel cells. Hydrogen is a scam. Batteries suck. Wind is uneconomical. The laws of thermodynamics apply.

These EV shill pushers couldn't care less about the environment - and that is evident because it doesn't take more than half a brain to realize this
Cont...

These EV shill pushers serve only one purpose. To progress the WEF agenda. They know and understand that this will mean many hundreds of millions around the would will no longer be able to afford vehicles.
They know this increases reliance on the state as these vehicles are tax subsidized.
They know EVs increase reliance on big multinational corporations are they are NOT SERVICEABLE.

They know EVs restrict mobility access and will push more people into Toronto/New York/California style shitholes where everyone will have their pods, and not be able to easily deviate too far from their tight constraints.

The EV pushers hate you. They want your families dead. YOU are the carbon they want to reduce.

I will leave only one video reference that I consider essential viewing for uncovering these globalist shills:
youtube.com/watch?v=--QS_UyW2SY
Essentially what this shill was doing.

it's the fucking jews you morons, the jews did this

They're just talking shit trying to get you to pop off on 'em.
Stand back, stand by faggots.
This order is not superceded or recinded.
General order 1 stockpiling arms ammunition and other warfighting gear in a decentralized manner per 2A remains in effect as always.
Carry on.