But I’m a genuine way. Not just pot stirring for the sake of it.
Is white nationalism itself really the end all be all of logically planning the future of western civilization? Now I’m not going to start shilling for globohomo, but consider this. The basis on which we justify white nationalism being a good ideology is rooted in eugenics, right? We have higher IQs on average than almost every other race on the planet, especially pre-industrial revolution. We have a glorious history. Had rich culture. Our technological developments were and in many ways still are unparalleled. Etc etc. So if our opinions are based on whites possessing these qualities, not simply that they are of European descent, then what is the justification for excluding the other noble race? That of course being East Asians. Their competency is proven, especially in the case of Korea and Japan. China to a great extent, but with more exceptions than the latter.
If we say we should separate ourselves on the basis of preserving our individual sense of aesthetics and culture, would it not be true that a new one could be born? Potentially even a better one, assuming that the principles of eugenics are still applied. Are we to believe our combined intellect and taste couldn’t create an even more efficient, beautiful, and progressing civilization? Is the comparatively minor issue of aesthetics and culture even all that important in exchange for obstructions we’d be getting rid of?
We could even apply this principle on an individual level rather than the group, but this is getting more in to the realm of globohomo. We don’t have many positive feelings towards blacks as a group, but neither do we towards “white trash” as individuals, or at least a sub group. Is the important factor simply whether or not an individual is descended from Europe? Or is the important factor their merits as an individual? Should, for example, a genuine black prodigy be afforded less respect, privileges, and opportunities than a white drug addict shitting on street corners? Who would you rather share an apartment with? A community? A nation? Should exceptions be overlooked because of the rules? It’s definitely a more complicated way to look at things, but has the potential to be a much more accurate way of looking at things.
>OP I’m not reading this. You’re a faggot. Too long. It doesn’t matter. Etc
The reason I think this conversation is important is because advocating a system that’s similar to what I’m describing is much more appealing to normies. Has genuine merit. And would provide results very close or even better than what we were initially hoping for. A politician could run on a platform like this. No candidate is ever going to win popular approval by campaigning on a “gas the kikes, kill the niggers” platform. Anyways, food for thought
Kayden Morales
This is also something to consider in the discussion.
>TLDR: Star of remphan midwit advocating for interracial breeding.
And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
>what is the justification for excluding the other noble race? That of course being East Asians. They're not noble and they're not even all that intelligent. You only have to look at their history to see they were stagnating in the medieval age until industrial revolution era whites dragged them out kicking and screaming. >would it not be true that a new one could be born? Potentially even a better one See what shitholes Kazakhstan and those other central asian hapastates are like.
>We have higher IQs on average than almost every other race on the planet, especially pre-industrial revolution.
yes but this was more of a result of evolutionary pressure in modern society than anything the european aristrocrats were very intelligent and had the chance to have many offspring in a highly competitive environment = iq gains across the general population from one generation to the next
Xavier Morales
White Nationalism formed from the 1453 Fall of Constantinople, the 1492 Reconquista and the 1683 Siege of Vienna, where white peoples realized that People of Color COVET THE FLESH and wealth of "white" people. Caliph of Baghdad owned 4000 castrated white slaves and 3000 castrated black slaves, because People of Color preferred to own white slaves, especially white women.
And see movie, DAY OF THE SIEGE, free on Tubi TV. White People were hunted and enslaved by POCs for 1400 years until the White Supremacist US President Jefferson Bombed Tripoli to end the enslavement of White People.
The alternative to White Supremacy/Nationalism is ENSLAVEMENT of White women, men and children. Without White Supremacy, there is only Islamic Rule or Mongols Rule or Black Rule.
This is the reply I was hoping for. I think that’s where “it’s more than IQ” kicks in. It’s a very important metric, but there’s a lot more going on. East asians do great on IQ tests, better than Europeans do. Not by much, but still. So why is it that their accomplishments in terms of tech, conquest, and exploration seem a bit lacking? Hard to say what the root is, but it seems to indicate that there are some differences between us that go beyond IQ. Another factor could be simple isolation as well. Japan was only trudging forward very slowly because most of their ides had to start from within. Whereas Europe was exposed to many cultures that they regularly had to test their mettle against and learn from.
Regardless, I think it’s important to note that Japan and South Korea in particular had absolutely no problem adopting western technology and ideas once it was brought to them. Now they produce plenty on their own, and are some of the cleanest, safest, and culturally sound nations on earth. There are many European countries that I would prefer to live in Japan over.
Nathan Lee
>> Should, for example, a genuine black prodigy be afforded less respect, privileges, and opportunities than a white drug addict shitting on street corners?
Regression to the mean. There will always be outliers
Jeremiah Lopez
Oh, and as far as the hapa-states go. That’s a rabbit hole of factors too. I don’t know what the average mongol IQ is. There’s a lot of Arab admixture. There’s historical reasons why the nations have never been wealthy. I’d be curious to see some studies on how these groups perform if raised in a western nation.
Aaron Martin
That’s not necessarily true. What I’m putting out there wouldn’t include being bred out of existence by actual savage animals. In the case of blacks, the average quality of their stock is so terrible that soft eugenics would eliminate most of their genes in a few generations. It just wouldn’t be because they’re niggers, it would be because they’re a dumb nigger. But the few that pass the “are you an animal?” Captcha shouldn’t necessarily be eliminated from the gene pool.
Zachary Russell
>The basis on which we justify white nationalism being a good ideology is rooted in eugenics, right? No.
I should have clarified that the second point revolves around a soft eugenics doctrine. I’m not saying all the races should get a free pass because of the exceptions. I’m saying that individuals who prove to be an exception, shouldn’t necessarily be treated the same as the rule. Blacks would still be bred out of existence under a soft eugenics doctrine, and very quickly. But again, not because they are black, but because they as an individual should not be spreading their genes. Whites who failed to meet whatever standards there were would also be restricted from breeding. The rules could be applied evenly across the board.
Michael Davis
Did I say national socialism, or white nationalism?
Anthony Green
If you think that’s regression to the mean I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
Carson White
None of this really matters since you don't have a power to enforce it. Don't waste your time thinking about what can be done in theory. You should be concerned with your real life and lives of the members in whatever community you deem yours.
Jordan Parker
Hitler explained it best. Japs/gooks/chinks are great at maintaining and copying things, but they have none of the traits that lead to innovation. They're bugmen on the deepest biological level. That's also related to why their crime rates are so low and they give in to foreign occupation so easily. They don't have the barbarous warrior streak we do. And no, their IQ isn't higher than that of Europeans, at least not genetically. White IQ has fallen around one standard deviation just since the 19th century thanks to how dysgenic modern society is.
It’s not about deciding who gets to breed and with whom, it’s about deciding who does not get to breed, as well as who we would even want to share a space with and under what circumstances. It would be a fair argument to say that because there are so few black exceptions, they should be ruled out altogether for the sake of simplicity. I don’t think anybody has got the point I’m trying to make so far. I’ll have to write this better some other time.
Samuel Mitchell
>white nationalism bad It's not about irradicating the other races like the jews are trying to do. It's about people living in their own ethnic societies. Nationalism is not about conquering others, but protecting ones nation, heritage and people. You're a jew, and I am a sage.
Levi Bell
>western civilization Are you Hispanic-Greco-Latin?
Michael Watson
I love my family, history, and traditions more than the families, histories, and traditions of the unwashed horde of brown people. Fuck off.
