im talking about nailgun man in ohio. i wont go into his entire history because it would detract from the main point and you can look him up yourself if you think there's anything more to it.
>The Navy confirmed that Shiffer served in the branch between 1998 and 2003. After enlisting in Pennsylvania, he became a fire control technician and served a single tour aboard the submarine USS Columbia out of Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Navy records show he earned no awards or decorations and separated in June 2003 at the rank of E-5.
assuming thats true the uss columbia is a 688i los angeles class nuclear powered attack submarine that carries tomahawk cruise missiles in its vertical launch system that are armed with nuclear warheads.
it just so happens that back in 2019 (most likely in san diego):
>On 4 December 2019, while the Columbia was in dry dock, a crew member on guard duty shot and killed two civilian employees and injured another before shooting and killing himself. Machinist's Mate Auxiliary Fireman Gabriel Romero, 22, used duty weapons issued to him as a member of the submarine's Topside Roving Patrol.
and if you zogbots were wondering he was an e-3.
what's interesting is that both of these people held the same exact job on the same exact ship, ssn-771. whats more interesting is that two civilians were casually strolling around an active us navy nuclear submarine in dry dock without anyone stopping them, until they met this guy and the end of his m4. if they had been civilian contractors who had been working on the ship it is unlikely that he would randomly decide to open fire on them as they approached the submarine. most likely he had never seen them before and thought they were saboteurs. its interesting as well that he was found dead shortly after of a suicide despite the fact that the shooting occurred with his duty weapon in the course of his official duties as a member of the security team. i wonder who those two guys were.
What did you say about him you little bitch? I heard he was a navy seal...
Hudson Clark
Fire control and machinist mates are different jobs retard.
David Long
make your teds
Dylan Myers
>what's interesting is that both of these people held the same exact job >Machinist's Mate Auxiliary Fireman Gabriel Romero, 22, used duty weapons issued to him as a member of the submarine's Topside Roving Patrol a fire control technician and machinist's mate are not the same job. really does make me think
Blake Powell
>navy seal that class of submarine also happens to be the only type in service with the us navy that has a diving trunk capable of deploying and retrieving seal teams while remaining submerged. needless to say they dont just let anyone serve on these things. nukes (as in navy nuclear reactor technicians) even see it as an elite assignment, despite the trust already placed in them and the numerous psychological screenings and background checks they endure, and most are relegated to the surface fleet and stuck on aircraft carriers.
Jack Gray
they were both involved in damage control, one not exclusively.
Nathan Johnson
Twidgets and Snipes, can't really get further apart than that.
Wyatt Campbell
Its hard to believe the mainline narritive on anything anymore. Especially after watching the ongoing pat-con series with blackpilled. Most of which I already knew about but the Oklahoma City bombing I was not privy to. And thats probably the most fucked one, so far. The unfortunate thing is that it will most likely be a long time until we really figure anything out. Especailly since this is happening in the internet era. So they cover their tracks even more than before.
They didn't have the same job. Fireman is the rank of an E-3 that has an engineering rating. It is equivalent to seaman, airman, hospitalman, and constructionman. A Fire Control Technician is a rating that maintains electronic weapons systems. As far as the shooting, don't fuck around nuke boats or nuke spaces on other ships. That shit is no joke. t. airdale prp/amac
Carson Adams
Everyone in the Navy is involved in damage control.
A machinist's mate (MM)) is someone who works in the engine room. A mechanic usually, in charge of the main engines and auxiliary systems (lube oil, condensate, circ water, air pressure systems). Depending on the ship they are either assigned to Engineering or Reactor. Sometimes they'll be the guys that work with air conditioning and refrigeration. It's pretty much the rate that replaced the Boiler Tech.
Fire Control isn't about fighting fire. It's like radar systems or something. They're computer guys that launch missiles and shit.
There is a job in the Navy solely dedicated to Damage Control. They're called....Damage Control (DC). That is also an engineering job, like Machinist's Mates.
Thomas Hernandez
Bump for extreme interest when I saw this I also thought something was afoot
Cameron Brown
I keep fucking up my periscope (virtually) because I forget to slow down to 5kts.
Colton Ortiz
Holy schizophrenia. You're retarded bro
Anthony Richardson
>2019 shooting >scenario 1: submariner goes crazy and shoots a couple contractors before offing himself >scenario 2: submariner shoots two people he believes to be saboteurs and turns the gun on himself when he realizes he killed some contractors >scenario 3: DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
Also what this guy said, Navy ratings can be weird.
Everyone calls people in the Navy "seaman", but that's not actually the case. Say for example someone that works in Engineering. When they are an E-1 through E-3 they would be called Fireman Recruit, Fireman Apprentice, and Fireman, respectively. So if you were an E-3 Machinist's Mate (which is Engineering), you would be referred to as MMFN user. Navy combines the rank and rate (job) into the title. A guy working the flight deck loading bombs that's an E-2 would be AOAA, Aviation Ordinance Airman Apprentice.
The Fireman, Seaman, Airman shit only applies to E-1 through E-3. Once you become a Petty Officer (E-4) you drop that shit. So a Machinist's Mate Petty Officer Third Class (E-4) would be known as MM3.
Noah Jones
>Everyone in the Navy is involved in damage control. the basic point is that in the course of their duties, however numerous or divergent, they most likely accessed the same areas of the ship in a similar capacity and therefore were exposed to similar phenomenon, stimulus, information, sights, experiences or which ever term you want to apply. coincidentally, both of these people become involved in shootings with civilian federal employees where they die from an insinuated suicide over a relatively short span of time.
notwithstanding my lack of acute clarification over the scope of their duties on board a ship, does this not seem to you somewhat anomalous?
Owen Kelly
>no awards or decorations >E-5 Sloppy job
Cameron Jones
>Navy records show he earned no awards or decorations and separated in June 2003 at the rank of E-5 This indicates super secret squirrel shit. Or a lazy YN not routing the records from the ship to the squadron. >tomahawk cruise missiles in its vertical launch system that are armed with nuclear warheads LOLNO. While it may be true that you can mate a nuclear payload to a TLAM, they are generally just conventional explosive warheads. >both of these people held the same exact job To the extent that all the coners would rotate through topside watch, sure... but as for their real jobs and what they actually did on the boat normally, A-gang and FT aren't even in the same department. >if they had been civilian contractors who had been working on the ship it is unlikely that he would randomly decide to open fire on them as they approached the submarine. most likely he had never seen them before and thought they were saboteurs. Bruh. There are so many random shipyard bubbas swarming a boat in drydock that you're probably not going to remember if you've seen them before even if they've been working there every day.
Gabriel Powell
Could he be one of those "star" advancements. I'm not too famiiar with FCs.
In the Nuke Navy people will get out of bootcamp automatic E-3, go to their school and get automatic E-4 when they get to their first ship, and after a few months are given E-5 upon reenlistment. So you have a bunch of second class MMs down in the plant that don't even know how to hold a wrench or are qualified a single watch but are somehow E-5s.
Landon Lee
He was in Weps, not Eng Dept, none of the nuke shit applies.
Lucas Jones
I know he wasn't a fucking nuke, I was just using that as an example of how some people in the fleet become E-5s not knowing shit. I don't know how other departments or rates deal with their shit. That's why I asked if it was a similar thing, or does it only apply to nuke? I would have assumed that other technical rates have some sort of fast advancement. I honestly don't know. If not, then that is kind of weird to be an Second Class and not have anything to your name.
Brandon Cook
Checked! HH Also the first thing that popped into my mind after reading OP was "sheep dipped"
Logan Butler
>whats more interesting is that two civilians were casually strolling around an active us navy nuclear submarine in dry dock without anyone stopping them, until they met this guy and the end of his m4. if they had been civilian contractors who had been working on the ship it is unlikely that he would randomly decide to open fire on them as they approached the submarine. most likely he had never seen them before and thought they were saboteurs. its interesting as well that he was found dead shortly after of a suicide despite the fact that the shooting occurred with his duty weapon in the course of his official duties as a member of the security team. i wonder who those two guys were. Shipmate remained true to his 11 General Orders of a Sentry and the USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED signs everywhere.
Eh, if you have a shit LPO/LCPO who never routes anybody for awards, nobody in your division has any personal awards. You would still get command awards, if any, but those don't necessarily appear on the DD-214 depending what y'all were up to. Or if the YNs are as lazy as your LPO and don't record them.
