What the fuck happened to the standard of political debate in the United States? Pizzagate? Q user...

You're dumb

It's very simple, China has shown that big state capitalism and soft imperialism is the superior mode of production, the US allowed freedom of thought for too long and are now paying the consequences. They are getting rid of liberalism and turning into big state capitalism.

t b h i think the UK is equally shit. all you people care about is leftist buzz words and corporate diversity branding.

I am one of the farthest right people on here and I am gay. Anti-gay is as big a mistake as pro-trans.

Our society is based around extreme individualistic narcissism, so you get a lot of plebs who think they're special and know more than everyone else who are happy to be included in "secret knowledge" about the nefarious forces that have trapped them in plebbery.

Americans are subhumans and should be exterminated

>Can't find the image right now but it's always been that way

No it hasn't. Even 10 years ago the popular discourse in the United States was far more sensible. Now it's like facts have ceased to matter because they can be twisted however you like.

This but unironically. The great culling of chuds is coming and I will gladly participate across all corners of the earth.

What's the problem?
Being conservative means supporting the status quo i.e supporting the rights of multinational companies

YWNBAW

>They are getting rid of liberalism and turning into big state capitalism.
Not even remotely true. Last time I checked mutts weren't nationalising any industry

lol do u like willies in ur bum bum

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Ok, I'll re-phrase. It's nothing new. Conspiracies have always been around. 9/11 trutherism is pretty common and has been for some time now. Remember Obama being gay or a secret Muslim Communist? What makes it "mainstream" now according to you? Neither political party officially endorses that stuff and all the big media outlets don't. It's just regular, everyday schizo Americans that believe it.

yes

im one of the most extreme vegaterians on here and i eat meat. anti-meat is a big mistake as pro-vegan

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yeah but the difference is here schizo are isolated and people make fun of them you guys have a political movement of that shit. like when trump said the elections were rigged but presented no evidence to the court. so then said the courts were just rigged and they all believed it. he's a textbook populist manipulator

Satanic panic was a big thing. Hundreds of thousands of American blacks believe they're Egyptians or Israelites or that a black scientist with a big head created the white man on the island of patmos. Several famous black musicians make references to it from JayZ to Nas etc. I meet people in real life all the time who believe in the secret society shit.

>Demoralized
They willingly took on the life of consumerism because the US was so wealthy after the war due to a lack of competition.
Boomers destroyed the country, and it's just been a degrading cycle since Nixon.

They don't need to nationalize it, just force them to produce according to a governmental plan, they do this via regulations and other methods

gb2 leftypol troon

The truth will always rise to the top.

Oi do you 'ave a loicense for those thoughts m8?

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>They don't need to nationalize it, just force them to produce according to a governmental plan, they do this via regulations and other methods
Oh so it has absolutely nothing to do with state capitalism

God, you're retarded. A utter moron.
A true subhuman

C O P E

That's literally what China does you retarded monkey subhuman, there are private enterprises that have to follow development and production plans dictated by the Chinese government

Do you actually believe all chinese enterprises are state owned? lol retard.

That's called having SOVL and who cares? None of this decorum bullshit matters, system is completely rotten anyway so whatever harms and undermines it is good. I guess that's the real answer. A lot of people are so disillusioned they look for answers outside the mainstream. I still maintain it's always been a thing. Look at Mormons and all the cults that exist in America. Something in the water maybe.

on a rope, china is not socailist.

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You don't see the irony in advocating a socialist mode of production and telling someone to go back to /leftypol/ at the same time?

kek, state capitalism isn't socialism, retard, china is not socialist

Lol I guess the schizo hivemind has now gone global.

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China is a joke. They can't even fuck properly. And your nation is disintegrating to the point where you only have rule of law in pockets and Northern Mexico wants to be American. We have problems. China is probably doomed. You are definitely doomed. Still love you hope you make it here safe. Apply at Amazon when you do.

leftypol, quickly, it's time for you to stop polluting the board, tranny

Of course both China and Mexico are shitholes, they are full of non-whites, point of the matter is the industry must be at the hands of the state. that's basically the reason why China grew so much in the past 30 years, the US is slowly moving there, the Us government already dictates what most industries in America can and can't produce.

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>That flag
>Non Whites are inferior
Self hating Chico over here.

>just force them to produce according to a governmental plan, they do this via regulations and other methods
You literally just described central planning which is the basis of a socialist economy

facts don't care about your feelings, libshit

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kek no, central planning isn't what socialism means, go be a dumbass somewhere else. Fascism has central planning too.

also, monarchism also had central planning, monarchs could basically decide what to do and what not to do.

Nigga I'm as white as you and one of my parents is black. That don't prove shit. You and me are the same. We're new members of the coming race.

Literally have never been there. Ill stay.

>never been there
>posts the same chink propaganda posted all day there.

China isn't fascist neither monarchist.

In the states "conservative" is just code for being right wing. There's less and less conservative about the Republican party ever year. The reason I became a turncoat.

China is the closest thing to a pure fascist state though

Ah yes, the country which literally calls WWII "The World Anti-Fascist War" is akshually fascist because... because it just is, okay?

Any Forumscel cope.

Politicians realized that they can turn people into dedicated lifelong voters by making them increasingly retarded

kek you retarded and delusional leftypol troon, fascism isn't internationalist, chinese fascists don't have to see german fascists as allies, of course they celebrate and consider the defeat of European fascism a victory and something to be narrated in a heroic manner, they strive for han supremacy, not german.

Nazis called themselves socialists too retard, the Nazi party was the German worker's party.

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schizo memes leaking into reality
same thing happened with most middle eastern countries

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Bing Chilling

>the standard
It improved, the quacks were right about almost everything

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wouldn't that be north korea

North Korea doesn't allow foreign capital investment though

Cope because socialism is growing worldwide while your shit ideology hasn't been relevant in 70 years except as a slur

State capitalism is part of Socialism, user. Anyways, China is a big experiment like USA and USSR if their way bring wealth and success then everyone will follow if not then we're sticking to what we're doing.

>socialism
kek, read a book retarded troon, China showed that fascism is superior, not my problem they have to larp because retarded brown mongs like you are scared of proper definitions

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Lol now we're in /x/ territory. You have to be a glowie or something.

>Spaniards are white.
Maybe 400 years ago, hijo de mierda

Socialism
>abolition of private property, wage labouring and the production for use of commodities
>China
>private property, wage labouring is present and the production for exchange of commodities

leftypol troons that believe that China is socialists are retarded

don't care still raped and enslaved your great grandmother

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Keep coping, fascism died in 1945 and is an irrelevant ideology which only exists in the mind of porn addicted incels on Any Forums

Meanwhile your own continent is dominated by socialist parties

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No that was your great grandmother being raped by your great grandfather. Your people too friend.

You are losing your time arguing with him, he's a schizo that calls literally everyone leftypol

>fascism died in 1945
kek no

>Meanwhile your own continent is dominated by socialist parties
none of those parties are socialists, they are social democracies that found out they can gain easy votes from brown retards like you by cliaming to be anti-white and anti-capitalism while they engage in the same corruption schemes as regimes of the past

I'll repeat it again for your monkey brain:
Socialism
>abolition of private property, wage labouring and the production for use of commodities
China
>private property, wage labouring is present and the production for exchange of commodities

read a book retarded troon

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based if true

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>abolition of private property, wage labouring and the production for use of commodities
meant to say no wage labouring

How many parties or politicians openly calls themselves fascist? None, it's exclusively used as a slur.

Meanwhile there are four Marxist-Leninist countries (China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam) and dozens of others with socialist parties in the government.

>there are four Marxist-Leninist countries (China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam)
All of which have:
private property, wage labouring is present and the production for exchange of commodities
I'll repeat it again for your monkey brain:
Nazi germany called itself socialist and the Nazi party was the German worker's party

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The Red Scare. Agree with it or not, that shit was officially sanctioned mass schizophrenia and it lead to the kind of stuff we're dealing with now. Some people never learned to let go of the Red Scare.

Pizzagate is evidently true, a lot of people in politics in anglo world seem to be pedos to some extent. We just don't know who of them actually abused kids, when and how many.

politicans being pedos =/= pizzagate
pizzagate is a specific outlandish schizo theory based on weird random things centered around some pizza place
everyone knows politicians are kid diddlers, but it has nothing to do with pizza restaurant-themed cryptology

>All of which have:
private property, wage labouring is present and the production for exchange of commodities
None of which are deterrents to the existence of socialism. Remembering that socialism ≠ communism.
>I'll repeat it again for your monkey brain:
Nazi germany called itself socialist and the Nazi party was the German worker's party
So the Nazis were socialists, but also I'm a Nazi, but also socialism is bad. What point are you even trying to make?

>None of which are deterrents to the existence of socialism.
kek

>Remembering that socialism ≠ communism.
proper copium, stop reading this revisionist garbage.

>What point are you even trying to make?
That the recuperation of terms by social democracies does not a socialist make

The growth of social media specifically tailored to users’ political perspectives in the 2010s set the stage for discourse to break down starting in 2016.

pizzagate is real, qtards are sheep

Your ideology failed miserably, so you cope by pretending that leftist countries secretly support facism. Pathetic.

cringe

>Hofstadter was born in Buffalo, New York, in 1916 to a Jewish father

>I'm as white as you and one of my parents is black
doubt

and these niggas accuse us of whataboutism

>Your ideology failed miserably
No it didn't, China proves it did not. You are just too buttblasted and brown to accept the fact that China isn't socialist after Deng's reforms.

>leftist countries secretly support facism
I'll post it again for your monkey brain
Socialism
>abolition of private property, no wage labouring and the production for use of commodities
China
>private property, wage labouring is present and the production for exchange of commoditie

You realize China had a Civil War between Communists and Nationalists (i.e. fascists) and the commies won?

You realize Deng Xioping engaged in anti-socialist market reforms and pretty much put an end to all forms of 'socialist' form of production in 1978?

It's trivial to have a debate about the PM having used tax payer's money to fund house parties? kek
You reek of social parasitism, because only a social parasite would defend that.
But what to expect from a "country" where a lazy fat cunt who never worked a day in his life spent his presidential term tweeiting and eating lay's chips.
Anglos just absolutely love to elect social parasites to rule over them.

Jeffrey Epstein happenes and now everyone knows all politicians are satan worshipping pedophiles

The only thing you know how to do, is kneel to blacks and worship transsexuals, fucking faggot. I can smell the cock on your breath from here

Fascism is dead you retard.

…what?

>No it didn't, China proves it did not.
Yes, it did and China isn't fascist. This discussion doesn't even exist in academic circles it's just a coping mechanism so that Any Forumscels point at China's sucess and pretend their ideology hasn't failed miserably.
>You are just too buttblasted and brown to accept the fact that China isn't socialist after Deng's reforms.
Reform and Opening Up was based on the New Economic Plan which was implemented in the USSR, besides Xi Jinping is bringing Maoist socialism back so your argument is moot.
>I'll post it again for your monkey brain
At this point you're just repeating the same arguments I've already debunked, not replying to this shit again.

no, socialism is, socialism is dead and it is never, EVER coming back. Remind me again how privatizing state enterprises is socialism, because that what China did under Deng

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>New Economic Plan
aka lenin coping that reforming the economy following communists principles was leading the cunt to mass starvation

>it did and China isn't fascist
China is the closest thing to a fascist state.

>This discussion doesn't even exist in academic circles
Academic circles are too busy trying to find if men who cut their penises are women or not.

> it's just a coping mechanism so that Any Forumscels point at China's sucess
Literal projection, Socialist China failed miserably, all Chinese economic growth happened after Deng engagd in massive anti-socialist economic reforms

>Reform and Opening Up was based on the New Economic Plan which was implemented in the USSR
>NEP
KEK, Lenin specifically said that the NEP was capitalism, retard.

>Xi Jinping is bringing Maoist socialism back so your argument is moot.
ABSOLUTE COPE, do you have a single shed of evidence about this?

>not replying to this shit again.
stay BTFO retard, read Marx.

State capitalism isa combination of authoritarian socialism and authoritarian capitalism you absolute cum gargling retard. While yes, there capitalism aspect in it, it is also has SOCIALISM in it

Socialism exists in the here and now. Meanwhile you need to cope saying uh ackshually its fascism

Socialism isn't when the state does things, retard. Fascism actually is when the state takes control over the capitalist economy, read books

China stopped being remotely close to 'socialism' in 1978, any denial over this fact is a literal cope by leftoids who can't cope with the fact planned production and allocation is impossible at this time.

>>fascism died in 1945
>kek no
Yeah, fascism *totally* not dead yet. Is just that the fascists of today are either bunch of unemployed neckbeards who lives in their mother's basement or an organized syndicate focusing on radicalizing the apoliticals and politically moderate people

>Socialism exists in the here and now.
Inside your mind? kek.

>Meanwhile you need to cope
I don't need to cope with anything, the fact is China has private property, wage labouring and the production of great amount of commodities for exchange. This is literally not socialism.

Read books retard. Fascism isn't a coherent internationalist idea, just because an ethnic group is incapable of achieving fascism doesn't mean all ethnic groups are. There is no socialism in China, to believe otherwise means you are either ignorant of a dumb braindead commie trying to cope with the fact that socialism failed.

Based

OH no no no no no no
Haaaahahahahahahaaaaa

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looking back he didn't seem so bad before 2016, just a weird bil who was not so academic and has a trophy wife
the clowny antics only became clear later when he got more exposure

>wikipedia
how fucking cute :3
marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1952/stalin.htm
read.

1. Fascism fucking died decades ago because no one wants to live in a totalitarian state
2. I'm a scientocrat, I advocate for a government based on research by experts and elected by research
3. You do realize that China is an authoritarian country right? The fact that you think China is a fascist country is hilarious
4. Socialism can work if it's a synthesis between market economy and socialism (I.e market socialism, social democracy, communo capitalism, state capitalism, distributism, corporatism, etc)

Who will win
______________________
A person who post a Wikipedia link, the most trusted source of information

Or

One commie boy with a link from a commie website
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>no one wants to live in a totalitarian state
You mean the one in China?

>I'm a scientocrat, I advocate for a government based on research by experts and elected by research
You can be a fucking brony for all I care, there is no commodity production under socialism, China is a capitalist country

>You do realize that China is an authoritarian country right? The fact that you think China is a fascist country is hilarious
Huh? Any relevant socialist author labes capitalism as fascism, and they would be correct, the fact that China has managed to create the most efficient state apparatus to reproduce the capital cycles shows that the have also created the most efficient system of fascism.

>Socialism can work if it's a synthesis between market economy and socialism (I.e market socialism, social democracy, communo capitalism, state capitalism, distributism, corporatism, etc)
kek!

>commie
I am not a commie lmao

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>wikipedia
>the most trust sources of information
....the modern day education system is a fucking mistake.

Schizo thread
Schizo country

>China is the closest thing to a fascist state.
According to nobody but Any Forums.
>Academic circles are too busy trying to find if men who cut their penises are women or not.
Irrelevant, there are no scientific articles claiming China is fascist. It's just wishful thinking.
>Literal projection, Socialist China failed miserably, all Chinese economic growth happened after Deng engaged in massive anti-socialist economic reforms
Failed miserably by lifting millions out of poverty and eliminating illiteracy? Deng Xiaoping himself said Mao was 70% right and 30% wrong, which means he mostly did good.
>KEK, Lenin specifically said that the NEP was capitalism, retard.
I was just pointing out the fact this kind of reform isn't unprecedented in socialist countries, imbecile.
>ABSOLUTE COPE, do you have a single shed of evidence about this?
It's a known fact that Xi Jinping has brought back many aspects of Maoism, including a planned economy.
>Stay BTFO retard, read Marx.
The only one who's been BTFO in this thread was you, who hasn't read a single word of Karl Marx in your life.

>implying they aren't all sexual deviants

>According to nobody but Any Forums.
According to literally any serious socialist theorist that wants to mantain a coherent line of thought, the only people who label China as socialist are brown and black autists that want to 'gotcha' the ebbul west.

> there are no scientific articles claiming China is fascist.
the first 2 lines of das literally do.

>Failed miserably by lifting millions out of poverty and eliminating illiteracy?
After 'anti-socialist' pro-market reforms lfmaoo

>Deng Xiaoping himself said Mao was 70% right and 30% wrong
source
>which means he mostly did good.
Feel free to prove that the 70% ofwhat Mao did good was the same economic freedom that lifted China out of poverty, literally quote Mao where he says that China will lift itself out of poverty by engaging in market reforms, you won't because he never said that, pseud.

>I was just pointing out the fact this kind of reform isn't unprecedented in socialist countries.
correct, the norm for socialist countries is to engage in pro-market reforms because the socialist mode of production is inferior to fascism

>It's a known fact that Xi Jinping has brought back many aspects of Maoism
KEK no, post at least 10 examples of that, Xi has only 'managed' to convince key industrial sectors to produce commodities according to what the state dictates, he hasn't expropiated shit.
>including a planned economy.
planned economy =/= socialism

>The only one who's been BTFO in this thread was you, who hasn't read a single word of Karl Marx in your life.
Quote Marx where he says that private property, commodity production, wage labour, the value form are key elements of socialism, you won'tbecause he strictly states that these concepts are elements of capitalism.

retarded brown monkey

you'll never have sex because you're a mexican lol

search on desuarchive for images with WhatsApp in the filename posted by the Mexican flag, I have literally posted a picture of me having sex.

cope tranny

I honestly think the majority of people are running on main protagonist syndrome and think the rest are supporting actors.
The guy that attacked the FBI probably thought he, only he, knew the whole truth and only he could stop whatever powers his schizo mind made up.

>According to literally any serious socialist theorist that wants to mantain a coherent line of thought
Such as who?
>the only people who label China as socialist are brown and black autists that want to 'gotcha' the ebbul west.
Including the government of China itself?
>the first 2 lines of das literally do.
Nonsense.
>After 'anti-socialist' pro-market reforms lfmaoo
No, those were Mao's achievements and are recognized as such.
>source
Literally one of his most well-known quotes.
>Feel free to prove that the 70% ofwhat Mao did good was the same economic freedom that lifted China out of poverty literally quote Mao where he says that China will lift itself out of poverty by engaging in market reforms, you won't because he never said that, pseud.
When did I say he did?
>correct, the norm for socialist countries is to engage in pro-market reforms because the socialist mode of production is inferior to fascism
Yet there are many actually existing socialist countries and no fascist ones.
>KEK no, post at least 10 examples of that
Make me.
>Xi has only 'managed' to convince key industrial sectors to produce commodities according to what the state dictates, he hasn't expropiated shit.
So literally a planned economy?
>planned economy =/= socialism
Never said otherwise.
>Quote Marx where he says that private property, commodity production, wage labour, the value form are key elements of socialism, you won'tbecause he strictly states that these concepts are elements of capitalism.
How is this relevant to the discussion?
>retarded brown monkey
I'm an Italian and German descendant, you're probably some Spaniard/indio mutt who thinks he's white.

>Such as who?
Cockshot
>Including the government of China itself?
Nazi Germany called itself socialist and the Nazi party was called the German worker's party
>Nonsense.
sorry retard, capitalists economies produce commodities, which are goods produced for exchange, what all Chinese economy relies on
>No, those were Mao's achievements and are recognized as such.
kek, you fucking retard
>Literally one of his most well-known quotes.
post it then
>When did I say he did?
You are too much of a brainlet to understand this argument, forget about it.
>Yet there are many actually existing socialist countries and no fascist ones.
name 1 (one)
>Make me.
can't back up your claims now?
>So literally a planned economy?
Nope, as production is not dictated by needs but by exchange values
>Never said otherwise.
good, so China isn't socialist
>How is this relevant to the discussion?
>how is the core criticism of the capitalist system relevant to a discussion with the goal of identifying if the mode of production of a country is capitalist or not
brainlet
>I'm an Italian and German descendant, you're probably some Spaniard/indio mutt who thinks he's white.
Post proof, see

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Remind us Brazil user, when did Mao's leadership ended?

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>Every government official being a paedophile?
haha
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux

>Cockshott
Source?
>Nazi Germany called itself socialist and the Nazi party was called the German worker's party
How does this prove China is not socialist?
>sorry retard, capitalists economies produce commodities, which are goods produced for exchange, what all Chinese economy relies
How does this prove China is fascist?
>kek, you fucking retard
Not an argument.
>post it then
"The Cultural Revolution must be reassessed. Mao Zedong was 70 per cent good and 30 per cent bad."
>You are too much of a brainlet to understand this argument, forget about it.
Not an argument.
>name 1 (one)
China.
>can't back up your claims now?
I don't have to bring up 10 examples because you said so.
>Nope, as production is not dictated by needs but by exchange values
"[K]ey industrial sectors [producing] commodities according to what the state dictates" is literally the definition of a planned economy.
>good, so China isn't socialist
Yes, it is.
>brainlet
Not an argument.
>Post proof
I'm not doxxing myself. Brazil has white people, Mexico does not.

>thirdies arguing about ideologies when everyone knows that no ideology can save their shithole

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