How can someone believe in the classical interpretation of both heaven and hell?
Consider the following:
Hell = eternal torment Heaven = eternal happiness
No matter how evil you are, no crime you commit on earth can cause anyone else pain close to 'eternal torment' No matter how nice heaven is, a truly good person cannot be happy knowing people are being eternally tortured
And then there's the whole filtering process itself...
A person who helps an old lady cross the street because 'I don't want the old lady to get hit by a car' A person who helps an old lady cross the street because 'This bitch is my golden ticket to the promised land'
These are two different people.
If god wanted heaven to be full of good people, he could have just stayed quiet about the whole ever-after, but instead there's supposedly this bullshit game that evangelicals think they're winning because they gave money to a man on TV.
Here's my 3 theses nailed to the asshole of the internet:
Faith doesn't make you a good person. Actions are better than faith. But the intentions behind the actions matter the most.
In conclusion:
What good intentions can there be from eternal torment? It can only be so that good people can leave heaven to try to help those suffering in hell to escape. A truly good person would only be able to follow this one path.
What higher intention is there than pleasing your creator?
Angel Evans
If the people who deserve to be in heaven are also the people who will need to leave to help others, then there need be no such place. It is no more a goal in life than a bus stop on the way to somewhere else. There is no reason to worry about whether you have angered god or pleased him, we all must go to the same place for each other.
Gavin Wood
He doesnt even exist. It's a bunch of bullshit. Even if he does, how do you know you have the right one?
He does exist. Research the religion of the elites and their end game. Also look into the Shroud of Turin there is a big screencap floating around on Any Forums regarding it.
Jack Thomas
>How can someone believe in the classical interpretation of both heaven and hell? Sometimes it is best for a person to believe something which is not true.
>the right one There is only one infinite creator which is the source of all existence. God speaks to everyone in a language they understand, that's why there are so many different religions full of all sorts of stupidity. No matter who you are, God has to dumb shit down to your level, and some people are much dumber than others.
Ethan Sullivan
What would you want as a parent? To see your children grovel to you or to see your children love and help each other?
Ryan Cook
no i don't think intentions matter much at all
theres that saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions
if you spend your whole life doing charity even if you are only in it for the eternal bliss you still did tremendous good
Nolan Foster
>the road to hell is paved with good intentions I use this one on lefties all the time. It can really take the wind out of their sails if you do it with the proper context.
Chase Scott
What would you want as a parent? To see your children listen and obey you or to see your children ignore you and run wild?
Alexander Hughes
The fact that ANYTHING exists is proof that He exists. Do you really think anything was magically formed by itself? Howncan something be formed without a guiding force behind it? How would an innumerable amount of molecules be ordered into a being without a creator guiding it? Think about this often and you'll come to the natural conclusion of a creator. As for if there's a right ONE. God is One, no partners or any equal whatsoever. There is nothing like Him and only He has all power over everything. Everything exists only because of His divine will.
Jordan Allen
>Shroud of Turin A 12th Century Knight. Not Christ.
Alexander Diaz
by grace alone through faith alone in christ alone as revealed by scripture alone for the glory of god alone
>No matter how evil you are, no crime you commit on earth can cause anyone else pain close to 'eternal torment' you broke the rule. you pay the price. human standards of "good and evil" fall short of god's definitions
>Actions are better than faith. eph 2:8-9, as referenced above
Christian Garcia
People like the one you're responding to usually think of God as some finite, physical being. It's a very primitive, pagan sort of understanding. I think such people are incapable of understanding concepts such as infinity and nothingness.
It's a child's concept, suitable for people of childlike intelligence.
John White
I believe the point of OP is that most christcucks only "please their creator" out of self-interest and not out of "higher intentions" or genuine love for anything besides themselves.
Jonathan Sanchez
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER
Kayden Barnes
No argument for satan's existence, though. He's like an evil comic book character than a metaphysical entity.
Angel Cook
That's why it's acceptable to lie to them in order to (hopefully) get them behaving better-- they already lie to themselves.
Jack Lopez
>But the intentions behind the actions matter the most user you did it, you figured out the Protestant Reformation. Lol
That's not the "classical interpretation of both heaven and hell". Heaven and hell are subjective experiences of God's infinite love. Why don't you actually read the Church Fathers and the Saints?
Jeremiah Evans
Satan exists to foster spiritual growth. There is no hero's journey without an antagonist. We weren't put on this Earth just to make merry user.
Eli Campbell
God *does* want heaven to be full of good people. There are no good people. No one is good except God. So, he has to make anyone good if they're going to be in heaven.
Jack Watson
You'll see when you get there.
Eli Turner
>assumes the entity in quesion and goes on to state its purpose That's called begging the question.
Ryder Perez
Satan was a creation if God with free will. He uses his free will to tempt humanity and create evil. God allows him to exist for the purpose stated before.
Joseph Rogers
Once you choice is made, GOD removes the emotions from the other side. And to enter heaven, you must be perfected.
You can no longer feel sadness or unhappy or pain or lonely, etc. You won't miss them, they are in the other place and made a choice to reject GOD.
