It's time someones said it

I Bond burger'd your sister last night

why is being technologically/ideologically behind a bad thing?
what do you take is living a "proper" life?

is the main goal of life to advance technologically?
if so, should the state of the world be at constant war, so that people feel the urge to advance technology?

how about ideologically?
is living the natural state of human, i.e. hunter gatherers, a bad thing?

What values? And by what metric would you use to rank them?

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according to objective metrics, like gdp, military might, industrial & cultural output etc.

sounds like the life of a cow that should be milked for all its worth

The ones weighed by the western schools of thought that place life above all else in terms of importance. Also those that find their basis in logical conclusions and not superstition (see aztec sacrifices to their divine entities)

humans can only progress because that what always happens in a natural state
in other words you cant ever have humans and peace at the same time unless you neuter us all

what are humans?
italians?
then why not just kill all the other savages so they can't progress?

>why is being technologically/ideologically behind a bad thing?
Imagine thinking human sacrifice is a just thing to do

Unironically true. Now give me back my gold.

I'm sure they really cared for the welfare of the savages and not the resources like land, minerals, women, and human labor.

so if you don't do human sacrifices, colonization is a bad thing
but if you have human sacrifices, colonization is a good thing?

no
every group of humans eventually reach civilization given the right amount of resources and we are built to compete because thats what our current nature demands the only way for this to change is if you lobotomize a critical mass of human beings so wars wont starts anymore

i am not saying whats right or wrong i am saying what the world is

Where did I say that was the only reason you schizo?

well yeah, ideologies exist to allow a large amount of people to live and cooperate together.
Some ideologies are better at it than others

for sure brazil wouldnt be this big without colonization
notice how native countries are always super small with the exception of current empires like russia while colonized countries are always huge for no reason at all

hard to say, it is pretty peaceful atm
a design could be reached that subverts this

that is the "ideological" part no?
or what else does "ideological" values entail?

Don't care, didn't ask.

so the "ideological" part is for large amount of people to live and cooperate?

in what way does colonization achieve this?

who even said today is peaceful
dont put words in my mouth please

and no human nature is one of greed we inherently dont want world peace self fullfillment is what drives us as humans

i am not saying this is wrong or right this is what the world is about simple as that

was directed toward yall sudacas not the single monkey though

They were colonized because their societies weren't ideologically advanced enough. With a larger and more cooperative amount of people, they would have been able to resist the colonizers

>what else does "ideological" values entail?
Namely the rule of law founded upon logical reasoning-backed concepts of justice, even if it wasn't secular back then

I'm quoting "the only way for this to change is if you lobotomize a critical mass of human beings so wars wont starts anymore"

I'm saying it is pretty peaceful atm, you can program countries and societies to act peacefully, and create pax americana/sinica/indica
wars are definitely not "what the world is"

Iberians destroyed what had the potential to become a great center for civilization and erected the prototype for the what the Washington regime is trying to turn the West into today. I don't care how evil the Aztecs were, few things in history can compare to the evil that the Spaniards and Portuguese wrought on this Earth through their un-Christian rapacity.

Western Colonization was a token of its decline, not its greatness. We destroyed ourselves through it, and exported our madness across the world.

I agree. This is also why I support migrants and immigrants moving to first world countries. The white man has a duty to uplift the rest of the world and that means taking care of those who come to your country

but i am not a conspiratard and i dont think we are lobotomized as of now

when i say lobotimized i mean it literally not the gentle push we have right now

and no the world isnt at peace right now you can see that with the current russian ukrainian skirmishes

Agreed. Every people on Earth, except perhaps East Asians, should displace their "culture" in favour of the European one.

>East Asians
Especially them

they were doomed from the start when the bering straits closed

by then our old world filth due to husbandry would have killed them all reglardless of which old worlder found them first

native american men simply forgot how to use their dicks

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Ik ook

>a superpower with high rate of suicide and no morality
>a 3rd world cunt with morality, happiness and kindness
Which one is better is debatable

maybe? hard to say whether or not ideologies are what gives society resistance
could it be due to technological advantage that certain societies are able to conquer others?
are the conquerors in this case ideologically superior?
what if a society steals technology and uses it against another country?

so colonization created the rule of law (based on concepts of justice, that wasn't there in the first place), for colonized countries?
maybe? hard to say what kind of laws were implemented without knowing a specific country

there is nothing amerindian in america anymore culturally wise
and genetics always change so i dont care much what i care about is cultural supremacy and no country will ever be amerindian again after columbus thats why

agreed

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>a 3rd world cunt with morality, happiness and kindness
name one

it is generally understood to be pax americana at the moment
300 odd countries with 5 skirmishes is a pretty peaceful scenario

>so colonization created the rule of law (based on concepts of justice, that wasn't there in the first place), for colonized countries?
It laid the foundations for modern law in almost, if not all, countries colonized by western powers, yes

>and genetics always change so i dont care much
BS. If Europe was projected to stop being genetically european you would 100% care.

beside thats not even true
germanics conquered the western roman empire despite being worse off both ideologically and militarily
its funny that a german is talking about that for all people

They've an unhealthy fatalistic mindset, but are functional societies nonetheless. The rest of the world outside of Europe has both a repulsive way of thinking and a completely dysfunctional society. They'd be fine with a couple of Meiji restoration-style reforms.

industrial society isn't possible without the right ideology
Case in point: Africa

there are about 200 countries not 300 first of all
second of all that deosnt change what i meant even if there are localized peaces in the world like it already happened in the past with pax romana doesnt change the fact that there will be always war until the human speces extinct

The problem with colonization was stopping it and pretending that the savages aren't savages. Should have just killed them all desu.

I mean, in this case your entire point is some colonizers are good because they brought law to some colonized
I can't argue much in that case

what does genetically european means
do you think there is a european brotherhood or something
because if so i think you missed the last 3000 years of history in your history book better read that again next time

you are confusing ideology with society
ideology is only the direct a society is geared toward
even with the right ideology like you imply africa wouldnt still be a match to europeans because of other characteristics

>other characteristics
what did he mean by that?

colonization (especially in the americas) killed and dsiplaced millions of people , destroyed societies and cultures, erased languages and knowlege.

You are an idiot

You have rulers like Qing Dynasty that the populace had grandiose belief system Emperors were gods and rulers of the celestial kingdom. UK came and gave the Chinese dynasty a hard dose of reality. It was like a iron age civilisation fighting a 19th century empire. Believing in divine powers doesn't stop a musket bullet.

Do you want specif examples? Fine, Brazil. We went there and laid the foundations for what would become a lawful state. If we hadn't done it, someone else would have, and what they now have thanks to us is a great deal of potential, they just need to sort out their crime and corruption (totally their fault btw, the royal portuguese court always upheld the values of honesty and fairness)

resources and not a good place to start civilization among others
by africa i mean ssafrica not egypt of course

Not true. Andean regions are heavily culturally Amerindian with catholic values intermingled.

oh no subhumans aren't torturing each other for the sun good anymore how terrible

yeah sure that works
I'm quoting your first post "I think colonization wasn't inherently wrong"
It is probably closer to "I think some colonization wasn't inherently wrong"

there are some colonizers that did not bring law

Rhodesia and Apartheit South Africa were pretty successful and wealthy countries

the society isnt amerindian
there are some influences as substratum like there were celtic influences in britain and france
the core is not amerindian at all because they simply couldnt have worked with huge mass of lands they needed more time to develope time they didnt have for obvious reasons

they werent african nations
are you stupid on purpose chud

>killed and dsiplaced millions of people
Would have died anyway to the hands of their own and most of those were due to disease which, to be fair, we had no way of stopping and we didn't even know that people (whose existence wa uncertain) could die from the germs we carried, once again you learn more than you lose >destroyed societies and cultures
They were unsustainable and crumbling from the inside even before we arrived, they were nothing to be especially proud of (but muh heckin' pyramids11! 11!11111)
>erased languages and knowledge
They adopted ours because it was better, ie more practical and comprehensible, and better described the abstract, a key feature for the advancement of societies.
Knowledge? Ok sure, maybe on how to grow corn slightly faster, I can live without that lmao

Almost all of 3rd world countries have better society that 1st world ones. African uncontacted tribes have literally no suicide at all. Individualism is a firsties thing.

Tbqh I would rather be a bit sad then die from spurting out liquid shit.

you know that we arent individualistic either
do you really think we are individualists yet we fought for our countries in two world wars

individualism like democract is a propaganda meme by usa that not even their high ups believe and never believed

It was just conquest and subjugation... but over the ocean with boats. Not sure why it gets a special mention over run of the mill warfare everyone was waging against each other worldwide. In a lot of cases it was more cooperative/symbiotic.

>*leopard attacks settlement*
>oh no guysss, we lost the tribe elder and the only woman, guess we'll have to go fight another tribe for their women even though without the magic the elder provided to us we are practically destined to lose :))
yeah, worry about the suicide rates you mong

You mentioned
>resources and not a good place to start civilization
Did it suddenly change when white ppl were in charge?

are you american only they use terms like white people if so i wont engage with you anymore

Italy is not a first world country
Portugal is not a first world country + wtf are you talking about

>are you american
god i wish

who even talked about italy retard
also if we arent first world then stay in your country thanks

And so, due to my superior values, I turned them all into slaves.

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Like homosexuality, transsexuality and divorce?

humans civilized from the four cradle of civilizations (there was a fifth or more in the americas but was doomed from the start due to old world illnesses)

civilization could develope only in certain geographical territories and only with certain societies the minoan civilization itself derived from egypt plus mesopotamia is what we call western civilization and is not even native from europe

our individual societies absorbed that and spread indirectly to all other europeans by war and similiar europe thus had 3000 years to develope

most african societies werent even civilized when europeans arrived and their geography is shit for starting from scratch while it becomes good when you are already advanced enough to know how to use the land properly

>wtf are you talking about
I know more about how the interior of africa operates than you do

What does it have to do with the argument that some ideologies are superior to others?

because thats not what the singaporean was talking about
also some ideologies are better than others only when you consider the timing
there isnt an universal better ideology there are good ideologies for the time period one lives in

you can have a better society that performs better than a worse society despite the worse society having the better ideology for example

For all the people seething at this btw, this is objective true if you have preferred outcomes

t. trans goytoy

>all seething replies by 3rd worlders/inhabitants of failed states
I think this more than anything proves my point
I think

Don't think so hard, you'll hurt yourself.

based

Kys

we colonize. we are just larping that it isnt the case for whatever reason.
>lets go boys lets kick some ass and show em how its done, step aside stupid mfer, we run the show here now and this isnt a question ya heard?
would be the most badass thing one could say. they dont. so i dont support this muh humanity semi colonizing larp. be a straight shooter or fuck off i am not willing to make any exceptions.