Is he fucking stupid?

Yes, I very much enjoying The Orville. Tell me, which one of the Gay Tranny Alien episodes did you like best? The Gay Tranny Alien episode about how women are oppressed? Or the one about how The Gay Tranny Alien kid gets to choose to have itself mutilated?

>They drank the leftist kool-aid and forgot what trek was supposed to stand for.
There's a difference between being progressive and being a woke retard. Star Trek forgot about that.

No, you are.

Social commentary ain't the same as trying to inject your agenda in everything.
You might be retarded user.

>using familiar circumstances to appeal to higher ideals like the pursuit of absolute truth or the eternal improvement of the self
vs
>higher ideals don't exist also you need to exactly feel the exact same way I feel about the issue de jour, before we forget about it next week for something else

michael myers?

I didn't know Shatner is based

>allegorical social commentary is not the same thing as modern woke shit no matter how hard you try to pretend they are
This. Liberals themselves should be offended how dumb the blunt political commentary is in NuTrek.
Classic Trek may have even been cheesy and cartoony, but it seemed evelvated and *fun*.
NuTtek seems like a lecture from Rachel Maddow on MSNBC

he's old and doesn't have a woke translator brainwashing lifetime of experience understanding of the world

>Is he fucking stupid?
The person Shatner is responding too? Yes.

He posts on here and /x/

He's correct.

I'm so ready for a civil war so these woke retards can get massacred and turned into fertilizer from which our nation will grow again.

whenever people say political these days they really mean topical

I guess the episode with the crew dressed up as Nazis had nothing to do with politics.

OG, TNG, and DS9 were nuanced and steelmaned both sides of an issue.

Shatner is a fucking joke and always has been

No, but you are apparently. Social commentary is what old Trek did, but Nu-Trek is pure Democrat Party line items word for word now, right down to a brown woman lecturing Picard on white privilege because poverty and money is a thing again because the writers are hacks who never watched or understood Star Trek.

No, he is right. One is commenting on culture and society, the other is picking sides in politics. They are not the same thing, brainlet

Old Trek was full of social commentary
Nu-trek is all about using the setting to tell stories that fit their agenda

Politics and morality are two VERY different things, Shat is actuallt based and intellectually sound here.

>what is the cold war and what are the romulans and klingons
but yes

What Americans are doesn't matter because Americans proved that at most what they'll do is loiter in a capitol building taking selfies and live streaming for grift bucks. Then when the scumbag government goes after those people, nothing. We allow those protestors to rot in jail like the political prisoners they are.
What matters are the institutions. And what are they? The entire military is woke. The entire media is woke. The Pentagon is woke. The FBI is woke. The CIA is woke. The universities are woke. The public schools and their teachers are woke. Wallstreet is woke. Disney is woke. Chik-fil-A is woke. McDonalds is woke. General Motors is woke. Gillette is woke. All sports are woke.
Americans are out there paying for fucking Onlyfans subscriptions, getting obese, and women are lost in a whore-feminist mental complex causing birth rates and society to collapse so we get flooded by browns. It's so bad that even Jews are getting swept up into death spiral demographics and miscegenation.
This is not "muh blackpill," it's a fact. China saving the world from American woke culture and degeneracy of capitalism.

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It's amazing that people are still trying to conflate exploration of sociopolitical, psychosocial and philosophical questions with political propaganda of the establishment.

lol yeah right Chang

Reminder that Shatner has NEVER watched Star Trek. metroweekly.com/2022/04/william-shatner-the-earth-will-become-intolerable-to-a-lot-of-life/

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"Keep politics out of my stories" is a loser meme for fence sitters and it always was. Not all politics are equal, nor are the ways in which they are incorporated into stories.

based

And by that same token, not every societal issue is political, many are individual, communal, or familial. Glad we can understand that.

A lot of woke want to deflect to "it was always political" because that's a self serving framing. The real problem is that 99% of contemporary political commentary is just trash and reflects a general decline in the quality of everything. It's much easier to declare, it was always political than to accept that you're not very good; that your worldview and value structure can't particularly produce anything of value

This. Modern writers fucking suck.

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would Shatner stop being a senile old windbag already sheesh

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The OG Star Trek only did 3 years? Man, I always figured it went on for years and years. That's surprising. Also surprised it wasn't popular at the time...it would have been so different to anything else I would think...

They really churned shit out back then though, each season is probably 26+ episodes.

Star Trek: Captain Kirk kisses beautiful black woman

Nu trek: the show makes you watch a montage of the January 6 protest

Only monkeypox fags could pretend there’s no difference

He went to space and is immortalized in WWE and as NASA AI, looks like his joke trumps your entire life

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He's too much of a chad to bother watching something he doesn't care for, even if he starred in it. Probably never even spared two thoughts to the "plot" of a cheesy pew pew space show he did solely to put bread on the table.

>nooo when did Star Trek become so wok-
he literally made woke history lmao

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lol space isnt even real good job falling for that one

Why do leftists play stupid to this? There is a difference between being a wing of the democrat party like today trek and tackling taboo issues like old trek.

user, Charlton Heston kissed a nog on the big screen before Bill did it in the old show.

This is allegory for social issues, not "here's a clip of Current Year political issues inserted in your show". Is this really difficult to understand?

This is political? Seems like a social commentary. What law or policy were they commenting on?

>the day the anti-woke crowd was born

>social issues have nothing to do with politics
I knew republicans were this retarded

No one said that though

youtube.com/watch?v=4eS2PwEZ9Ys

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I'll see you in Ring of Power thread!

>hurr durr I don't understand the difference between cinema and broadcast television
It's called the first interracial kiss on television for a reason, prime time broadcast television has its own set of rules
smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/fifty-years-ago-star-trek-aired-tvs-first-interracial-kiss-180970204/

it's woke history

I saw star trek 5. Shatner has no right to bitch about garbage writing or directing

Reminder than in the past 100 years the western world has gone from teaching Latin and Greek in high school to teaching remedial English in its collages. I don't know why the older set even bother talking to millennial "Me Generation 2.0" austists anyway. Even zoomers are smarter people.

What policies are they discussing when 2 fags kiss?

Social issues don’t *have* to be political, no. And having social commentary be relatable without digging to the politics of an issue is how you effect change. I’m sure this is all very strange to you as you most likely think the exact opposite, but it is how we humans deal with issues.

Orville is woke trash made by a lefty homosexual

Agreed Shitner is right

None? Is there a law preventing that? Does it need regulated somehow? Is something illegal there?

Nice.

youtube.com/watch?v=gPcwovEXx1U

>Or the one about how The Gay Tranny Alien kid gets to choose to have itself mutilated?
That GTA was literally mutilated by its society in the first place. The episode returned her to what she was when she was born.

Based Shatner

Modern woke crowd are totalitarians, so obviously social commentary falls under politics too.

yeah but it was talked with responsibility and in a mature way, not a spiteful contest to see who is in the right side of history

>I didn't read or understand anything said in this thread so far

Old trek: Hey, here's something entertaining with some stuff to think about to maybe be a little more open minded
NuTrek: Don't you dare enjoy this! Follow this specific set of beliefs to the letter, and cheer us on while we lecture them, or you are a terrible person

>newsaholic

arguably worse than just watching a TV series. Atleast with watching TV you know you're wasting time. People who obsessively watch the news cope by saying it keeps them informed(which doesn't mean anything because what are you going to do with that information? It's about as applicable as trivia from a TV show).

He's wise.
He's a wise elder and you better RESPECT.

So the problem with contemporary star trek is that it moved to the right in terms of its politics? Compared to the time of old trek?

>IT DIDN'T REFERENCE ANY RECENT EVENTS REEEEE

>Loving v. Virginia happened and interracial marriage legalized across the US 1967
>Kiss was show a few months later in 1968

He's a total fucking idiot. Most actors are.

Actually a British show did it first

Go back to Any Forums, dumbass flattard.

>nooo you didn't appreciate the nuances between """social commentary""" (aka woke shit) and """politics""" (aka woke shit)
there are none, it's the same process, it's about pushing for change in the same direction.

How can you not grasp the concept of what an allegory is?

based shat shitting on retarded millionials

How can you not grasp the concept of allegories being just stylistic devices and that all utopic and dystopian fiction, especially scifi is at its core a commentary on contemporary politics, society and social relations? Did you even now that interracial marriage was still illegal in large parts of the US when your parents were still in high school?

>Shatner has NEVER watched Star Trek

He's lying, nobody is more self-dcentered then actors, they endlessly watch and rewatch every second of anything they've been in.

So you can't tell the difference? Got it

>The entire military is woke. The entire media is woke. The Pentagon is woke. The FBI is woke. The CIA is woke. The universities are woke. The public schools and their teachers are woke. Wallstreet is woke. Disney is woke. Chik-fil-A is woke. McDonalds is woke. General Motors is woke. Gillette is woke. All sports are woke.
Incredibly based
>China saving the world from American woke culture and degeneracy of capitalism.
kek

Do you really not see the massive difference? It's funny because admittedly TOS often had some really terrible writing, but the way they handled it there is a million times more nuanced. They're supposed to be from a fantasy future where racism no longer exists. There's an episode where Abraham Lincoln calls Ohura like a negro or something, and then apologizes if that offended her and she laughs because she doesn't even see why it would offend her.

The entire point of the episode referenced is that to us, the reason for their racism seems completely absurd. They look the same, but one's black on the left and one's white on the left. That's the only difference. The entire crew is baffled, the audience is baffled. They're suggesting racism in and of itself is silly without making it about any particular group or making it about present day.

Meanwhile modern Trek is non-stop "HURR THE KLINGONS ARE LIKE TRUMP SUPPORTERS, DRRR WE SHOULD HAVE OPEN BORDERS BECAUSE ENFORCING LAWS IS MEAN DURRRFFFFF CAPITALISM IS EVIL." It's not even hamfisted, it's thanksgiving turkey fisted.

>ADOPT MY WORLDVIEW AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU ARE THE BAD GUYSSSSSSS. YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING COMMIE OR ELSE

when do these people stop? are we waiting for a patch or update? fuck

>Is he fucking stupid?

No.

There's a difference between broad allegory about moral and political themes and having Captain Picard protecting Mexicans from Nazi INS agents.

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YOU BETRAYED YOUR UNIFORM!

When did social commentary and political commentary become the same word?

Ariana Grande

This.
The whole point of something like The Twilight Zone was to poke at social issues from such a distance it didn't break anyone's suspension of disbelief.

>There's a difference between broad allegory about moral and political themes and having Captain Picard protecting Mexicans from Nazi INS agents.
Zoomies can't handle subtext. Everything needs to be literally spelled out for them. CAPN KIRK SAYS NAZIS R BAD. Preferably with a big crayon x over a photo of hitler.

he clearly gets his dopamine from shitposting on twitter which is pretty stupid, albeit not any less stupid than anyone here

Yeah, that was the point.

Topical + taking one side (only) = political.

The only sci fi guy that likes the show he's in is Eddie James Olmos, who unironically loved nuBSG and watched it all the time.

Yes, user...Shitner is fucking stupid.

Let's logic this out-
He doesn't have a real job & never did, mixed with being a one-hit wonder on a tv show from the '60's that sang Rocket Man.

At what point, exactly, did you confuse Shitner with a genius or functional IQ?

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Liberals: everything is on a spectrum nothing is binary ok
Also liberals: x was always y

Yes, trek was always propaganda.

Yes, it's a total coincidence that the first interracial kiss on national TV was shot during the fiercest Supreme Court battle within 40 years that decided on the legality of interracial marriage in America. There is absolutely no connection between the two. The kiss was just a metaphor or something completely disconnected to real world events despite the fact that it itself had to skirt legality and regulations in order to get broadcasted in the first place.

both are humiliation rituals aimed at the white spectators

Both social and political commentary suck.

star trek was always pozzed brainwashing garbage aimed at destroying traditional values (and I'm not talking about interacial relationships, but about stuff like cucking and women having multiple partners)

Star trek was always like that.
TNG had a tranny episode too (and riker wanted to fuck that space tranny)

Imagine getting upset about the interracial luxury gay space communism of a show about interracial luxury gay space communism.

It's like the Rise Against fans that have never listened to any of the lyrics of the songs.

DS9 literally had entire episodes about forming labor unions lmao.

>Chik-fil-A is woke
Don't you dare insult the Lord's chicken

adding to this: this caused a massive schism in the federation which lead to the expuslion of the muclans because of their insane belief that a woman could become a man.
It served the story, unlike the nu-trek shit which is just preaching

>I can't read

so did it turn out to be because of purely economic factors, or other reasons in this one?

Kissing black people was never illegal in the US

nobody back then was trying to push a real world social narrative with the politics of the show, and if they were they were not relevant enough to matter

shitty lyrics never mattered

retard read the thread

>Shatner goes to /mlp/
OH NO NO NO NO SHATNERBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>kissing a black woman is the same as grooming children to cut of their genitals

>nobody back then was trying to push a real world social narrative with the politics of the show
read your own post retard

>Shats on OP

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None, once you add some blonde villain talking about making America straight again or gay kids put in cages after trying to cross the border into straightland meanwhile...

There is a distinct difference between social commentary and political statement and modern shows like nutrek almost exclusively focus on that.

Kissing black people on TV did actually violate the broadcasting regulations.

that wasnt me retard
none of the politics in the show were relevant enough to matter
>BUT IT WAS LE GAY COMMUNIST SPACE SHOW
nobody fucking cared about that
they didnt watch it for that faggot
its like when people play a fucking video game and dont pick up the underlying political themes
because they dont fucking CARE about that shit. thats not why they're watching

Yes, it's just a total coincidence that half of the show revolved around tolerance, understanding and respect between different species and people groups during the height of the civil rights era.

>moves the goalposts
>doesn't work
>moves the goalposts even more

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Broadcasting the Kiss right after Loving v V. is the equivalent of performing an abortion on the space ship right after Roe v. Wade.

because its fucking FANTASY. its science fiction. wow people liked a fantasy setting where everybody got along with cool aliens and shit. yet when you transplant it into the real world and shaniqua and her 3 kids move in next door and start dealing out of their house its not that cool anymore

It's utopian sci-fi, it's not fantasy. And like every type of utopian or dystopian fiction it's actually mirroring and commenting contemporary society This is literally baby stuff. It's isn't even subtle at all. Like the show even has direct references to real world and historical events for fuck's sake.

>with cool aliens and shit
For the most part the alien species were literally the most boring part about the entire show lmao.

>has to be forced to kiss a nig
lmfao

This, Shatner once again showing that he's /ourguy/

it doesn't matter if it has real world references to events
it only matters why people watch the show
and they watch the show because its actually nothing like the real world at all
none of the races in your show are like actual human people
its a fantasy, its fiction. it doesn't exist. its escapism for the masses because the real world is actually shit and not like the show at all. in fact the references to real world events is far more about the writers and directors jerking off their own dicks about how good they are as people than any sort of meaningful link to real life

moral allegory that are generally fairly displayed and left up to the audience to decide are one thing, hamfisted preaching and telling the audience is something else.

wokeism is ultimately political because most writers lack the talent to bring present issues with any subtlety. blame modern writers and show runners for being talentless hacks

Morals/ politics aren't relative.

>Broadcasting the Kiss right after Loving v V. is the equivalent of performing an abortion on the space ship right after Roe v. Wade.
Ridiculous. Loving v. Virginia was meaningless. Interracial marriage was legal or allowed via nonenforcement of anti-miscegenation laws in 98% of the country when Loving v. Virginia was decided.

>what if black people had white skin?!
God I hate vapid civil rights era race propaganda

the vast majority of the time it is 'social commentary' that gets branded as political.

take this scene of Abe Lincoln calling Uhura a charming negress.
I could have been a segreationist watching this and not have been offended or preached at.
now imagine this scene in today's woke Hollywood. Uhura would have been offended, had smug lecture giving Abe his comeuppance, Abe would have oh I'm sorry for not doing better. wokism is toxic and predictable trash.
youtu.be/2BBOWsWODX4

There's a quote like "everything you experience as a child is how it always was, everything you experience as a teen is new and exciting and everything you experience as an adult is weird and foreign"

People wont like it but it's ultimately the same propaganda and the same culture war. You're just at a different point in the collapse. While the woke shit is antagonistic for you, the next generation it will simply be how it always was and they will have no capacity to disentangle what the world is. Perhaps people in the past were happy to accept denigrations because the country was 90% white and functional. The woke aren't going to stop, there will be no pendulum swing back you can only look back to a vision of the country where you weren't a villain and constantly demeaned

then it's Rwanda tier civil war and I can promise you it won't be whites losing. blacks will suffer the most. Asians will ultimately cuck to whoever is in power and Hispanics will be divided since they aren't monochromatic.
the Oligarchs will orchestra the entire thing.

wokism is dying and will be gone by the end of the decade.

Imagine an accurate depiction of Abraham Lincoln and what was traditionally seen as racial sanity.

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liberals:
>truth doesnt exist lol, 2+2=5, you go yas queen
also liberals:
>my previous statement is true!

The allegories are always retarded though and don't stand the test of time despite being delivered with utterly righteous conviction. The social commentary is unbearable looking back because it never leaves any room for doubt that maybe in the future all the things they hope are true might turn out not to be. They just present everything so matter-of-factly and try to guilt the audience out of any skepticism. Now we live in their future and we see it's all bullshit and getting worse every year.

the two things aren't mutually exclusive. you can respect a person but know their culture is incompatible to yours. different groups want different things and those things aren't always the same.

This guy gets it. Midwits just can't grasp the difference and, to be fair, simply seem incapable of ever understanding so maybe it isn't even their fault. It's a cognitive deficiency. Brutishly low intelligence reacts to things with absolutes and ham fisted violent screeching. Sadly these low IQ screechers are running trek (and most media) at the moment. I'm not the smartest person in the world, but I can fathom the difference and it's not this hyper-nuanced miniscule difference they pretend.

>when do these people stop? are we waiting for a patch or update? fuck
Nah, they are no longer supported and no longer sent updates. They're disposable can't repair versions of humans.

>The entire point of the episode referenced is that to us, the reason for their racism seems completely absurd. They look the same, but one's black on the left and one's white on the left. That's the only difference. The entire crew is baffled, the audience is baffled. They're suggesting racism in and of itself is silly without making it about any particular group or making it about present day.
But this is just as stupid as any woke shit because the core message isn't based on anything defensible and is meant to influence real life society and real life racial issues in a reckless way with no regard for the consequences of it
>what if a space-monkey could speak latin and recite shakespear? they'd be just like us!
>oh, wow! we should make an orangutan the president of the united states!
It really is this stupid and does have an effect on real life.

I think "political" is not the right word. I came up with a different concept - trigger-based writing. Modern writing is peppered with trigger phrases alluding to real world without consideration on how it meshes to story - that exists independently and doesn't support it in any way.
For example
> TOS: I want to advocate against racism, so I will depict a fantastic situation in which racism seems foolish
> Discovery: I want to advocate against Trump, so I will have a guy say he'll make his country great again. Ignore the fact that his opponent is a genocidal cannibal.
This is why modern writing is bad.

>You all should join a labor union because union members are heros!

Ah yes, what a subtle allegory.

The old writing wasn't any more clever or subtle

It was at least internally consistent.

Based Boomer fucking about

>Galaxy. Gall i see. That's the Gall i see!

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Yeah cause he's in kino of the highest order

except for the episode with hitler's ghost

he isn't even a boomer, he's from the silent generation pre boomer

He's right. tar Trek TOS was philosophical, not political.

>Star Trek is the only television show to have directly posed the question: “What is the Good?”

>Star Trek is a celebration of a certain kind of warrior and a certain kind of commander. Captain Kirk, with his spiritedness, is similar in many ways to his enemies — a point stressed, somewhat to Kirk’s discomfort, in the very first episode to feature the Klingons (“Errand of Mercy”). The enemy commanders always admire Kirk. As a warrior who has subordinated the love of war to higher ends, Kirk does not return their admiration. He does, however, make evident his disdain for the ignoble uses to which peace is often put by its unworthy beneficiaries.

>Like Nietzsche, Star Trek expresses concern for the fate of nobility should the uninterrupted reign of peace arrive. Indeed, it seems to me that the liberalism of Star Trek may be closer to the ancient liberalism of Aristotle than to any of the varieties of modern liberalism.

>At the heart of Star Trek is a rehabilitation of spiritedness, that part of the soul significantly downplayed by the moderns.

>Nothing is more common than Kirk stirring up the spirit of rebellion among rather sheeplike peoples. As he tells the followers of Landru, “Snap out of it. Start acting like men.” If they don’t have it in them to participate in their own liberation, Kirk conducts it anyway and presents them with the fait accompli.

>As Kirk says “No wants, no needs, we weren’t meant for that, none of us. Man stagnates if he has no ambition, no desire to be more than he is.”

>Star Trek’s understanding of man as a compound being is the deepest source of the show’s consistent opposition to all forms of utopianism. Utopia is achieved only at the price of denying human nature. The lesson that emerges is that “utopia” is not so much impossible as undesirable.

thenewatlantis.com/publications/captain-kirk-and-the-art-of-rule

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No, he just hasn't adapted to the ruination of the English language. 'Political' didn't always mean... whatever it does now. Man, I can't even define it anymore, but politics shouldn't be the word used.

>makes up stupid shit just so he can clap back with witty brevity
you have a mental illness

>Chick-fil-A is woke
You sure about that chinky? All the wokies sure do hate it.

The issue is that liberals are so far up their own asses that they don't understand why people would have a problem. There's a difference between overarching themes about the human condition and topical shallow political bias dominating the writing and bleeding into everything. It's hamfisted and there is a direct correlation with modern woke thought and shitty products. For example, two of my favorite characters are Worf and Tuvok, but I absolutely despise that black chick from STD. Also, fuck the jannies straight from r/trek infiltrating this site and banning people in Any Forums trek threads for random shit they don't like.

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The Orville is woke as fuck garbage

thats a pretty neato episode though.

>collages

Nah you are

They don't hate it enough, the drive-thru line is always wrapped around the place.

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You probably mean RATM, moron.

Ds9 was fhe first woke ST and the last decent series.

You mean like the forced gender reassignment Moclan going back to their birth (true) sex?

>Like Nietzsche, Star Trek expresses concern for the fate of nobility should the uninterrupted reign of peace arrive. Indeed, it seems to me that the liberalism of Star Trek may be closer to the ancient liberalism of Aristotle than to any of the varieties of modern liberalism.

>At the heart of Star Trek is a rehabilitation of spiritedness, that part of the soul significantly downplayed by the moderns.

What utter drivel.

>Let me just name drop Nietzsche like college pseud and Aristotle and then finish it off with muh human nature.

>Having a white guy kiss a black chick while skirting broadcasting regulations suddenly isn't woke now.

Damn, you rightoids really have come a long way. I'm proud.

/thread
new writers are such fucking hacks

You unironically sound stupid.

>Premise: "I don't like drump"
>Old school writing: Present a society ruled by a demagogue, show why people choose to live like this, show its evils, end in a way that provokes thought
>New school writing: Literally just show orange cheeto man and say "orange man bad" and have him get killed by a strong proud womyn

Like the first season have a fucking divorce plot.

The premise failed before it started. Trump isnt some super villian. Stop elevating him to some sort of devil.

there is no difference between bioshock and that pic. especialy bioshock 3

How did we go from Systen Shock 2 to Bioshock smdh

except it is tho

more prevalent semitic themes

Stop defending Blorfald Glumpf. He's literally Cheeto Hitler.

Trek was always leftist. Roddenberry was a communist. The problem is that nutrek is modern "leftism" which means it's filled with neoliberal shit like president of earth Stacy Abrams, the Federation being white supremacists, and ICE being the literal bad guys. They couldn't even use a heavy-handed ICE stand-in, they just literally used ICE.

all hail emperor bloatnald trump, the new king of of israel

it had leftist talking points but how would you characterize the cage, for example, as leftist

>The problem is that nutrek is modern "leftism" which means it's filled with neoliberal shit

Exactly. The problem with Star Trek is that it went from a leftist vision to a liberal one and this is not a leftward shift but a rightward one.

I meant "always" in the sense of "going back to the original", not "every aspect was leftist". It wasn't a polemic and actually cared about being entertaining or thought-provoking over naked political allegory.

Esl

>Let me just name drop Nietzsche like college pseud and Aristotle
the author is much smarter than you

Hes based for a few reasons but none more than the fact that he makes George Takei turn into a jealous seething petty rat.

True. OST was story and adventure first. i believe you could count the obvious OST alegories on one hand and they are generaly the worst episodes. TNG was far worse in this

Imagine waffling on about 'spiritedness' over a show that several decades ago constantly portrayed the defeat of religion and spirituality by an extremely secular, even sterile human society, something people deride as reddit, let's not talk about the perception of decades ago.
.

user was able to sum his this ideas in less than a paragraph while your author needs to name drop like a fucking high-school aged writer, I think you might just love an idiot m8

Trying to defend yourself by samefagging is embarassing.

>user was able to sum his this ideas in less than a paragraph
typing "what utter drivel" doesn't automatically make it so
user made literally zero arguments to support his belief
he also seems to think that a 30 year professor of political philosophy with multiple books to her name on the subject and dozens of papers is a "college pseud" that name drops people just to sound smart

mein kampf was a social commentary

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