European Civilization and its men are being attacked via female-female coalitions that function identically to how Bonobo female-female coalitions work, and are used against their men in the exact same way. The only difference is that human females are using social tools. The information on Bonobo behaviour and comparing this to human female behaviour is toward the end of the thread.
(I would like to give part credit in this and in future threads to the following individual anons who have been very helpful in past threads:
1. Genius-IQ-user for his information on feminism in past times developing to today and on female behaviour in humans.
2. user - UserId=sXHLg9u5 in thread II.
3. PeterHellandEnjoyer (might be same person as #2, not sure from the email.
4. Caligula-user for the Of picrel.
Third thread on this issue.
Looking at the death tolls, it doesn't look like it was just WWI and WWII that has caused this issue in full, though it probably contributed (along with smallpox) to the problems we currently face. I also thought the thyroid was probably the major issue responsible for this kind of behaviour accelerating, and it still, I'm sure, plays a part [perhaps especially for females], especially because it does in Bonobos vs. Chimps- but other variables are important, too.)
There appears to be a behavioural switch of some kind in primates, and we have seen this switch be effected in other populations of primate. It seems to allow for transition from a behaviourally socially male type to a female type. In past threads, people have thought I was rationalizing or justifying or glorifying feminism. I am not. Just the opposite.
I am exploring this concept and trying to see how it may relate to human behaviour. It seems to make perfect sense of it, and considering our genetic similarities to both species of ape, it may help us to understand the behavioural changes that have happened in humans (specifically Europeans) over the last couple centuries.
It seems that this kind of behavioural switch has happened in the past perhaps many times. One such time was end stage Rome. Another was apparently the tenth century Arab world.
It appears that what is happening to Europeans is a process of domestication and what I call bonobo-ization. The consequences of this are grave and very dire, for all Europeans, all men, and eventually maybe other races of people as well.
Leo Long
With this contextual information out of the way, let me explain a bit more:
>Chimpanzees exemplify the male behavioural pathway. It is characterized by strong male hierarchy, by strong in (and out) group competition, by rigid social organization, and relies on males working together to solve issues individually and for the group. Males are energetic and active in this behavioural path state.
>Bonobos are characterized by docility, low conflict (sex is used as a tool for avoiding violence in-group), low male aggression, and a system of matriarchy wherein the females dominate the males using female-female bonds and groups (maintained through strong inter-female socio-sexual contact and relations), and they frequently randomly abuse and terrorize the males physically to maintain their control of the group. Male passivity and inaction.
Julian Walker
It appears that Europeans are actively sliding toward the Bonobo behavioural pathway. We seem to have been doing so for a long time, and many reasons are involved in this. But this is not just technological change. Something behavioural and biological is also happening, perhaps mediated by the endocrine system, the nervous system, genetics, epigenetics, other variables, or a combination.
I personally still think the thyroid issue may have a lot to do with this and so will still include some info and suggestions on it. Many knowledgeable anons in previous threads have been able to bring a lot of good info to the table, so I hope we can see that again in this thread.
>Bonobo female behaviour is now happening more and more in Europeans (and being pushed by specific invested parties), and European females are doing the same things just using social tools and not physical aggression. They are forming female-female coalitions against males and attacking them unprovokedly in order to benefit themselves and their sex over the whole group. Just as in Bonobos.
Jace Richardson
What is happening to Europeans and European Civilization is a process of domestication and what I call "bonobo-ization". Primates seem to have a switch in each species where they can activate a behaviourally male pathway, or a female one. Chimpanzees exemplify the male pathway, while their cousin the Bonobo exemplifies the female. We have seen populations of monkey switch to Bonobo behaviour after all their alphas died off (from plague, for example).
Again, these two animals are:
>Chimpanzees are characterized by male dominance and hierarchy, strong in and out group hostility and competition. Males energetic and active.
>Bonobos are characterized by docility, low conflict (sex is used as a tool for avoiding violence in-group), low male aggression, and a system of matriarchy wherein the females dominate the males using female-female bonds and groups (maintained through strong inter-female socio-sexual contact and relations), and they frequently randomly abuse and terrorize the males physically to maintain their control of the group. Male passivity and inaction.
And this relates to human European males:
>Bonobo female behaviour is now happening more and more in Europeans (and being pushed by specific invested parties), and European females are doing the same things just using social tools and not physical aggression
Gabriel Gomez
Replace females with sexbots and artificial wombs. End the 2 billion year war already and just get rid of them.
Mason Sanchez
>mcgill university easy there magill
Jason Bailey
Imagine being afraid of women lmao
They are nothing
Dylan Howard
It originally seemed to me to have happened to accelerate in Europeans after WWI and WWII, to some extent, from having so many "alpha males" killed off (not due to just genetic effects, but due to epigenetics and the removal of their behavioural models for others). Tens and tens of millions. This was supported by the so-called "sexual revolution" and "hippie" culture so soon after WWII.
But it appears not to be the whole answer, because it doesn't fit with historical examples fully, and it doesn't explain things for countries like the U.S. and Canada (not enough deaths), so the hypothesis is incorrect and insufficient on its own.
Nonetheless, it might be possible to reverse this biological effect, in a number of potential ways. The behavioural pathway is theorized to maybe be connected to the thyroid and other parts of the endocrine system. If it is, then many men (and maybe women) could theoretically be saved.
If the thyroid IS a large part of the problem, then many modern men likely have low thyroid levels. You should get yours checked and try to make sure it is a full workup and not just testing for TSH. Oftentimes, even when your thyroid levels are very low, they are still not treated - because it is still above their arbitrary threshold. But these low levels still have significant cognitive and behavioural effects, including lowering your testosterone production.
Daniel Sanders
Then you not of what you speak. I used to think similarly. Read all of this and consider.
Logan Perez
TL;DR
Europeans are being "bonobo-ized" through a natural and biological primate behavioural switch that can vary from male to female type. It is being incentivized and pushed by specific interested and invested parties. It could theoretically be triggered by having all or too many "alpha males" die (as in WWI and WWII plus the smallpox outbreak) - tens upon tens of millions). This is not due to just losing their genetics, but due to the change in behaviour in others from not having these dominant alphas around to enforce their dominance/hierarchy structures and the epigenetic alterations this causes.
However, this does not appear to be the entire cause, and it is likely there are other variables involved. This does not change the benefit to European males of discussing this issue, and they way they are being attacked by their own females ala typical/classic Bonobo behaviour, and in an unprecedented (in most of modern European history) manner. I suspect this is an accelerating biological process that will get worse until it is stopped.
This is connected to basically everything that is happening in our world today, and is being reinforced by specific interested and invested parties. Do some research into it, you'd be surprised. Female Bonobo behaviour in humans is leading to extreme aggression toward males from females, though the weapons being used are social. We could change things back, potentially, and it may be mediated in part by the thyroid (and other parts of the endocrine system).
Aiden Gutierrez
bump not sure monkeys are the best lens through which to view human gender roles. i personally am a fan of Graham Hancock's ideas about astrological ages relating to matriarchal and patriarchal societal organization, suggesting that in prehistoric times we were largely matriarchal (which persisted until modern times in some indigenous tribes), then in the historical era (roughly last 5k years) society was patriarchal, and now we appear to be entering an era of balance (incidentally this is the symbolism behind the Masonic dialectical "Great Work" with the two towers, the pyramid, black and white checkerboard etc)
Nolan Gonzalez
Necessary information on Bonobo female behaviour to follow. Compare to what is happening socially in humans today.
(Give me time to grab my info)
And here is a shitty feminism glorifying VICE article making Bonobo terrorism of males sound good:
Here is a quote from the shitty article from VICE that goes into the Bonobo behaviour and talking about the female alliances used to do things like unprovokedly attack males:
"Ripping off fingernails, toenails, biting testicles. One time they bit a penis in half. "
Their wondrous and glorious anti-patriarchal system leads to the feral and violent females to control and dominate the males via literally randomly terrorizing them and controlling them utterly. As a side benefit, the males get a lot of sex (if liked by the females), but they have no status and are unable to ever ensure the children will be theirs. The females are all heavily bisexual, and they seem to use this to reinforce the bonds.
Not that human females are also largely bisexual, and that this tendency or natural state used to be properly controlled, at least culturally. They have not reached the level of using group violence, and it is possible that they would not in (European) humans anyway, but they are definitely at the level of using female-female bonds and groups to attack men on purpose and unprovokedly - it is just that the weapons and means they are using are social and rely a lot on deception, manipulation, and generally being disgusting harpy-succubi. The exceptions to this pattern are increasingly becoming rarer and rarer.
David Brown
Wheres the first thread?
Parker Morgan
As well, we are seeing the rise of the FtM, who appear to go farthest with female Bonobo expression (aided by testosterone injections). These females (they are not and never will be males/men, whatever they would like everyone to pretend - their brains are still female, and they can never change their chromosomes, and their IQ will be typically female [very heavily weighted toward the average]) seem to be keen on pushing the change to female bonobo-ism. They encourage other females to try to act like men and be "masculine" (as pathetic, pretensious, and childish as these attempts come off), which destroys young girls and makes them utterly unattractive to and normal even half chimp-like male. Only Bonobo males, weak, pathetic, and servile males subject themselves to "relationships" (kek) with these "women". The dynamics at play are very complex and it is extremely difficult to overstate just how dangerous a situation both Europeans and all men are in.
Easton Cruz
Here is a much better and more academic source on this female pattern of behaviour for Bonobos and its use against males:
>There is a common misconception that bonobos never fight; if tensions are running high, they have sex or rub their genitals together and everything’s just peachy. >But bonobos do fight and they do form coalitions to support one another in aggressive interactions.
>In chimpanzees, we know that males form coalitions that help win aggressive contests, thereby increasing rank and reproductive success1. >Bonobos also form coalitions, but they look a little different. >A recent study on wild bonobos at Wamba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, showed that female bonobos form coalitions to support other females.
>Females supported other females significantly more than males supported males or females and males supported each other.
>These female-female coalitions were always directed against males, often after a male had behaved aggressively towards a female. >Females never directed coalitions against another female. >Most coalitions just involved chasing the male away, but 20% were physical attacks – during one such attack, the male was injured and lost the tip of one of his toes.
>These female-female coalitions are *always* (100%) effective against the males. >Males do not engage in the same coalition behaviour against females or stand together against it to defend themselves and their sex.
Ian Rogers
Note that this source has been suspended ever since second thread. It is possible they noticed an influx of visitors from Any Forums.
Here is the archive:
archive ph/UNqXr
Jace Campbell
So, lastly, Bonobo females are extremely abusive and aggressive physically to make Bonobos. European females are acting in the same way, and are attacking their men, just through social tools and means. They are forming female-female groups/coalitions/bonds, and are socially weaponizing them in the exact same pattern as the Bonobo female - just with a human behaviour twist.
Note that in Bonobos, the males *never* for their own coalitions against females. And the female coalitions are *always* directed at the males, never at females, and they are always (100%) successful - precisely because the males do not use the same strategy.
We are seeing this same pattern develop in European males - we need to form a new Fraternal Order to defend ourselves from this menace. It will not stop unless men stop it.
Again, check your thyroid levels, and even if they are above the arbitrary limit, take measures to improve your levels (diet, medications, supplements), and ensure you are getting enough (but not too much) iodine.
John Howard
Last post or the OP:
Men need to form their own new and modern Fraternal Orders, Brotherhoods, or Knighthood, reinstate at *least* informal hierarchy, and restore their dominance systems to repair our societies and to have a chance to stand against either the government or these new and increasingly large/dangerous female-female coalitions. If we do nothing about this problem, we, and our children and theirs, will continue being forced to live as Bonobos instead of inheriting our true chimp like nature - the heart of the original European system. This will be better for everyone, including females. Whether they know it or not, in their hatred and resentment for men.
None of this would be a problem except they are being enabled to act this way via government and specific invested parties.
Austin Morris
Graham Hancock has some interesting ideas. But read my sources and see how Bonobos function compared to chimpanzees. We used to function more like chimpanzees. Now we are seeing Bonobo type behaviour in both our females and our males. This is bad for both, but could theoretically be reversed or halted by men. If they stand together. Like Bonobo males don't, and we currently don't.
Luis Ross
It was named different, I could track the archive if you want. Still had Bonob/Chimp and/or "Behavioural Path Switch" in it.
Isaac Anderson
TL;DR is in above posts. Most important info is in TL;DR and last few posts about the behaviour in Bonobos.
Ayden White
Women have been trained intentionally to believe in the myth of biological equality, and the fact that there are biological differences between males and females that have huge significance individually and societally causes them great cognitive dissonance and a serious inferiority complex. They *are* using these female-female coalitions, social tools and weapons, female nepotism, and other means to attack men and ensure female control of various levers of power.
James Hernandez
>Graham Hancock's ideas about astrological ages relating to matriarchal and patriarchal societal organization, suggesting that in prehistoric times we were largely matriarchal (which persisted until modern times in some indigenous tribes),
Not Europeans, though this is true of various races like Sub-Saharan Africans (except some exceptions like the Bantu). Look at my sources to see how matriarchy/gynocracy *really* functions in humans. It is definitely not a good thing.
>hen in the historical era (roughly last 5k years) society was patriarchal, and now we appear to be entering an era of balance (incidentally this is the symbolism behind the Masonic dialectical "Great Work" with the two towers, the pyramid, black and white checkerboard etc)
European Civilization has been passed on hierarchy and particularly male ones for many thousands of years, certainly more than 5k. It is part of what made Europeans what they ended up becoming, compared to those other races.
