Jeff comments on Jordan's recent comments that Russia is just fighting the degeneracy of the West in Ukraine. He goes through how Putin is going back on his word, because in 1994 Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum recognizing Ukraine's sovereignty, Ukraine gave away her nuclear arsenal with the condition its borders would be recognized. Jeff also goes through data showing Russia's moral decay with data, also that Peterson is breaking his own rules, one being the one to always say the truth to matter what, and another one of his rules is to "don't let bullies get away with it", calling Russia a "nuclear bully". Jeff compares Jordan's talk of how the West should sell Ukraine out to Chamberlain's willingness to offer Czechoslovakia to Hitler in 1938, and that Putin won't be satisfied only with Ukraine. Nyquist goes through how the argument that Ukraine is guilty is just victim blaming since they're the ones being attacked and how they do not represent a threat to Russia.
Nyquist mentions that the West has engaged in military disarmament, and even the Russians themselves have said in the Pravda that they were getting the upper hand in military terms because the West was changing its armed forces to specialize only in smaller conflicts against backwards enemies, Russian officers themselves admit the West is weakened, contradicting the notion NATO represents a military threat in any form to them.
>Putin is Hitler Eh, if he is like that, but he is not. Also, please explain to me that if Russia can't invade Ukraine, then why is America allowed to do whatever it wants in the Middle East? I'm not defending any side and condemning it, but let's give a concrete reason, not Putin is like Hitler. Why didn't they call Putin Napoleon, Peter the Great, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great? Also, the expansion of the NATO pact is questionable. Why is NATO expanding and why was it not abolished after the collapse of the Soviet Union?
Camden Carter
>they do not represent a threat to Russia Donbass and Luhansk are Russian.
Gavin Williams
That's not what he said, he's comparing the act of appeasing to an invader, that's the same attitude that if the West sells someone out, the invader will be satisfied with the morsel and won't do anything.
Wyatt Cox
>muh Hitler yeah, that's an auto L.
Jose Sanders
>because in 1994 Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum recognizing Ukraine's sovereignty Which was before the jews took over Ukraine, and your argument is invalidated.
Ian Martinez
The west built Europe's biggest army in Ukraine against Russia. Ukraine harassed and tortured Russian minorities for 10+ years now. Zelensky started to whine for nuclear weapons and that was the exact moment when Russia started the invasion.
>Russia signs treaty recognizing Ukrainian's borders >now it's not valid anymore!!! If they didn't want X there should be conditions in the treaty. You're just saving face for a commie dictator with no honor, who accuses others of tearing treaties apart when they're the ones doing it.
Mason Walker
>2 jews arguing over dystopian Russia and Ugayne Sorry, not interested
This is false. Russian speaking Ukrainians were also against Yayunovich. If they wanted to be under Putin's rule they could just have crossed the border. They wanted the freedom they had in Ukraine. Mariupol is in ruins and that city had many Russian speaking Ukrainians. Putin gives no fucks about Russians.
Isaiah Roberts
>If they didn't want X there should be conditions in the treaty. There were. They were broken by Ukraine telling people they were about to join NATO and allow NATO missiles on their borders with Russia.
Chase Lee
Find another site to sully you evil coward
Henry Ramirez
>You signed this treaty 30 years ago so I can do all kinds of vile shit against you and you are not allowed to do nothing against it. But reality doesn't work that way.
Lucas Nguyen
>If they wanted to be under Putin's rule they could just have crossed the border. What is a city and house and property and legacy?
>Mariupol is in ruins and that city had many Russian speaking Ukrainians. Ukrainian army make military bases in the center of cities and not allow citizens to leave using them as meat shields. Yeah sure it's Putin's fault.
Ryder Howard
I understand you and agree, but again another question arises. Well, Russia must not expand further, but why is NATO still expanding? And I mean this before February 2022, before the invasion of Ukraine. All the countries of Central Europe except Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Austria are in NATO, the Baltic countries are in NATO, all the Balkan countries except Bosnia and Serbia are in the NATO pact, and Ukraine would also join NATO. Doesn't that still sound threatening to you, that is, rattling weapons towards Russia? Can you imagine if Mexico entered into a military alliance with Russia? America would raze Mexico to the ground.
Well, that's how Russia thinks about Ukraine, with the fact that Russians (and other minorities) are disenfranchised in Ukraine after 2014. I think there is no need to say about the incidents in Odessa and the reason for the start of the war in Donbass. I understand what Jeffrey Nyquist wanted to say from the Ukrainian position, but again, the actions of the Ukrainian government, which have been doing dishonest work in recent years, should not be tolerated either.
Ayden Collins
There were no NATO related conditions in that memorandum. Ukraine surrendered her nuclear weapons, got the Russian word that her borders would be respected. Putin has no word or honor.
>sign a treaty that you will respect a country's borders >don't do it Yes, that's how it works. The other country gave away powerful weapons and got invaded in return. Putin is an immoral tyrant and you are excusing a country going back on its word. Are you willing to put your own country's borders to testify for Putin's character? We might find out soon enough how that works if he succeeds
Sebastian Price
FWD: I think JP is 90% retarded and I am not defending him, just picking apart Jeffrey Nyquist's arguments
>calling Russia a "nuclear bully". That's how world powers work. From Iran-Contra to the billions of coups attempted worldwide to, hell, Euromaidan in Ukraine, America does the same exact fucking shit and if you support NATO you don't have a leg to stand on saying Putin has to be uniquely opposed because he does bad things. All imperial powers do bad things, they have to to survive.
>Putin won't be satisfied only with Ukraine. That's how all fucking conflicts work, but it's extremely rare for one guy to go around conquering the entire world. Genghis Khans are the exception, not the rule.
What Nyquist is getting at, unintentionally, is that there is *officically* a new player on the stage, multipolarity is here, and America has actual enemies with a real ability to challenge our hegemony head-on. We are out of the vampire's castle now, the one world order of Pax Americana has ended, and the gears of history grind into action once more.
Joshua Lee
you have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that Euromaiden wasn't organic and that Putin did nothing wrong by invading a sovereign European nation in 2014 and again in 2022.
>There were no NATO related conditions in that memorandum doesn't matter it's basically an act of war and all treaties should be invalidated also jews stop ignoring that Zelensky is the first Ukrainian Jewish president
Gavin Bennett
NATO expands because the countries around Russia are afraid Putin would do what he's doing to Ukraine right now. The see in him an enemy. Finland wanted in NATO after the invasion began, they have a history of a bloody conflict with Soviet Russia not so long ago. By invading Ukraine he's only making more countries want to be protected by the NATO umbrella because they see him as someone who desires military conquest over all their territories
Nathan James
>what is Russification Donbas and Luhansk are within the ethnolinguistic boundaries of Ukraine. In fact so are many places that are within the RF. For example Bilgorod.
Brandon Adams
Most of those countries that joined NATO did not even have a referendum of the people, which is a violation of the sovereignty of the people. The last one was Hungary, the majority of which was in favor of NATO, but less than 50% turned out for that referendum.
Noah Thomas
Jeff is an idiot. Nixon was not a blunder but a well calculated move like most greedy traitors.
Jace Allen
And I'd say a referendum means fuck all when it's held at gunpoint with spetzniggers running around doing spook shit, yet people wanna kvetch about the CIA and their glowniggers causing the events of 2014.
russia is just nigeria with snow, it's not hard to see why eastern europe has shifted westward in its alignment as time goes on and russia's puppetmaster grip fades in all but a few places.
Grayson Mitchell
If you harass someone too much maybe he will break your head in. Even if he was nice to you before. This is what you see now with Ukraine and Russia.
>Putin is an immoral tyrant and you are excusing a country going back on its word. There is no moral side in this conflict. It's a proxy war between political superpowers. The west used Ukraine to engore Russia.
Alexander Gomez
Euromaidan was about Ukkies not wanting to be ruled by Putin's guy Yayunovich. He fled Ukraine after his men shot civilians, he was afraid of the repercussions of what he had done. Who's making nuclear threats nonstop? The idea that Russia is under threat nowadays is laughable. Russia has hypersonic missles that nobody in NATO has. Russia has modernized their nuclear arsenal, the US and Europe are busy filling their armed forces with fags and troons. Joe Biden just announced budget cuts for nuclear weapons modernizations, Putin's narrative that they feel threatened is total bullshit. The world bought the idea that Russia was not their enemy anymore, that Communism died and now Russia, China and the others from that Red bloc believe they have superior military than the rest of the world, and they're probably right. They also have a WWII-like situation because back in WWII, the US was the industrial powerhouse of the day, and they kept the allies supplied. Today China can do that, and by turning their factories into war factories, they basically implode the supply chains in the rest of the world and can produce military gear for whatever they and their allies in Moscow need.
Jeff has long studied Soviet strategy and has often said that Putin was a dangerous guy, if you read his older articles, he has been warning about Russia and China preparing for a war since forever.
Nolan Foster
The butthurt of this mutt living in a dying country is exceptional xD
Elijah Peterson
>what is Russification You tell me, faggot
>Donbas and Luhansk are within the ethnolinguistic boundaries of Ukraine And turtle is the fastest animal.
>Bilgorod hohol diaspora detected. KYS pidor
Kayden Carter
To be fair, Putins self declared reason for invading Ukraine is that Russians or pro-Russians are oppressed in Eastern Ukraine, or even genocided, he said that in a TV speech. Hitler invaded Poland due to Germans being oppressed and genocided (Hitler exactly used these words too). So there are some similarities. Only difference is that Putin handles his attack like a complete fucking retard while Hitler finished the job in exactly one month.
Brody Perez
I'm not butthurt at all, Putin is singlehandedly responsible for a "reawakening" of western identity and I'm loving every minute of it
>Putin is Hitler I wish. both dying, but america dies first. probably.
Logan Phillips
>Well, Russia must not expand further, but why is NATO still expanding? Because otherwise Russia expands
Camden Hall
(((nyquist))) Opinion disregarded
Ryan Thompson
His denunciations of muh nazis for invading Ukraine also mirrors Stalin's excuse to invade Finland. Soviet Russia claimed they were fighting "Finnish fascism". It's the same old shit regurgitated
Jason Garcia
Turn yourself into the SBU immediately or kys. Donbabwe Pidor's Republic rat.
Asher Thomas
Jeffrey Nyquist literally believes that the collapse of the USSR was a complete forgery by the NKVD to clean the image of communism and expand it worldwide. He has no credentials.
Jaxson Clark
It is understandable to me now why the countries of Eastern and Northern Europe want to join NATO, but not before 2014, when Russia, except in Chechnya and Georgia, did not show such aggressiveness. Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary joined NATO in 1999, when Russia was ruled by Yeltsin, and the Baltic countries joined NATO five years later, when Putin was more of a pro-Western man. So why did NATO expand at a time when Russia did not pose any danger except for nuclear weapons and that after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Also, Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński proposed that Russia be divided into three parts and advocated that NATO must expand to the east. Isn't that an open threat against Russia at a time when Russia was a second-rate power? So this is the time between 1991 and 2014, at a time when NATO is expanding to several European countries, when Russia has not yet shown its aggressiveness against Ukraine. And Ukraine itself did not want to join NATO before 2014, because there were a lot of people who did not want to join, not only because of Russia, but also because of themselves and the security of their country.
The only difference is Putin doesn't care about ethnic russians, only Russian speakers because they can become economic subjects of the Rossiyanin Federation. He is Eurasianist race mixer.
Still better than cucknadian pigkraine diaspora. Why are you lying about ethnolinguistic hohol borders, faggot? Do you think no one can google here?
Thomas Turner
Him stating perestroika being a deception, helps your case. You can say post 1991 multiracialism degeneracy in the west is all a result of Cheka/NKVD/KGB subversion.
