in my opinion, it goes like this: -person is born and suffers - bad -person is not born and does not suffer - good -person is born and takes pleasure - good -person is not bad and does not take pleasure - neutral (neither bad nor good)
absence of pain and suffering is always good, no matter if there are nobody to experience said absence
but absence of joy and pleasure is not always bad if there are nobody to experience it
but i maybe somewhat biased because my abusive childhood had made me into a perpetually depressed existentialist, plus i am religiously a gnostic because of it
>person is not BORN and does not take pleasure - neutral (neither bad nor good)
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Austin Sanders
fuck gou I don ’t care
Bentley Wood
Ugly people and retards shouldn't be able to have kids. In fact, they she be harshly penalized and forcibly sterilized.
Parker Anderson
antinatalists are pleasure slaves just like egoists they understand nothing except “me feel good?” you might as well be golden retrievers
Eli Allen
if you do not care, why even reply in the first place? just ignore the topic then. i am not offended, but the logic behind insulting a person to show him you dont care (which fails to do that and show you do care, but in the negative way) is completely alien and ridiculous to me
the alternatives are either dedicating yourself entirely to political struggle (im disillusioned with all ideologies after majoring in history and political studies and reading about varioes ideologies and their proponents) or religion (i am a gnostic, so in a way im devoted to me religious beliefs - not creating new lifes so that i wouldnt force more immortal souls to suffer for their entire mortal life just so that the evil force which created the world doesnt feed on their suffering)
i dont feel obliged to be altruistic to anyone except my closest relatives because society in general havent done anything good to me - so i dont feel obliged to procreate for it
Henry Walker
Suffering is not inherently bad. It's just whiny bitches who act like you need to be happy constantly then wonder why in the end they live empty worthless existences antinatalists should just kill themselves too if they think life is so evil
Mason Ramirez
i know about vhemt and even have an online acquaintance who is a member, but my reasons for being antinatalist are not ecological but a mix of humanitarian and religious (gnostic)
Asher Ortiz
i tried to kms and failed, but after that i had a catharsis that i dont necessarily need to kms and instead need to just maximize my happiness and minimize my suffering
Robert Miller
while in hospital after suicide attempt, i read various philosophers
my favorites turned out to be Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Max Stirner, Dostoevsky and Mainlander
Cooper Nguyen
At least the gnostic position I can respect as valid even if i think it's misguided ignorance but this is the most brainless short-sighted drivel >maximize my happiness and minimize my suffering That line of thinking is exactly why youre a miserable sack of shit right now. What is your purpose in life? Just to sit on your ass and seek the dopamine hits? Might as well just do drugs until you croak then. Purpose some purpose, politics, religion, learning, art, career, etc. and find some purpose in your existence beyond mere pleasure and dont view suffering as an enemy, it is merely the reflective of the good that is needed for growth
Isaiah Howard
i would do drugs (marijuana, lsd, mushrooms but never opiates) if i wasnt afraid getting caught until its legalize, you know how many people get jailed for drug offences here in russia
i told already that im disillusioned with politics after learning about various politicians and ideologies and their struggle being mostly in vain (im a political science major)
as for religion - i told i adhere to gnosticism, so in a way i follow my beliefs by not jailing immortal souls into flesh prison for them to suffer so that evil god can feed on their suffering
Austin Kelly
>getting caught until its legalize its not getting legalized in your lifetime fren...and what do you have to lose if you already hate your life? abandon your fears and anxiety and embrace the new if you truly have sunken to such lows, perhaps youll at least learn something in the depths >im disillusioned so youre a worthless defeatist? Why not seek to be better than that and damn the consequences? What do you have to lose? And okay, then why not purpose your faith and seek to ponder the deep meanings of the universe and bring that knowledge to others? Why not purpose an art that you enjoy? Create and bring some value into this existence and find purpose beyond mere pleasure seeking >i follow my beliefs Why I'm not trying to convince you not to be antinatalist. I strongly disagree with your beliefs and find gnosticism to be retarded but at least youre true to those beliefs. Although isnt the gnostic position simply that he thinks of himself as the genuine god and demands worship from his creation? Nothing about literal feeding on suffering, this world isnt nearly hellish enough for that to be the case
Colton Nelson
If you are an anti-Natalist why not just kys? Seriously, it would free you from suffering. Or do you agree life is valuable and people gain more being alive then they do dying?
Aaron Morris
i hate my life but i will hate it even more if go to jail for drugs
i thought about doing art but that could only theoretically be writing since i can neither draw nor sing
i disagree, as a well read person i know a lot about horrible genocides and violence on daily human to human interactions. hell i even myself grew up in an abusive family (even if not very poor but not rich either and not alcoholic). also, my understanding of gnosticism is that the force that we call god needs to feed on human suffering to fuel its powers and existence. if humans all die or stop suffering - it will either cease to exist or stop being omipotent, so were all trapped in eternal living hell. it may or may not have created the world or usurped the true god (im not sure in my personal vision of gnosticism)
Liam Hernandez
i told already that i tried suicide but after it in hospital i read some existentialist philosophers so i decided if i will inevitably die why not first get some joy from life? a weird turn is that i fluctuate between pessimistic nihilism and absurdistic-hedonistic nihilism
Thomas Torres
also im diagnosed with schizotypal personality disorder, one of symptoms of schizophrenia spectru disorders is pathological ambivalence in thinking and judgment
my therapist once told me perhaps thats why i sometimes appear to normies as not making sense despite all my education and eloquence - because i can simultaneously accept several contradictory ideas and not thinking they contradict each other
Landon Ortiz
>hate it even more So your life does have some value? >i can neither draw nor sing then fucking learn dipshit, no one is born a master. Pick up mongolian throat-singing if you wish, the only thing stopping you from learning is your own cowardice and excuses
Nice projecting. Life is not pure hell and most people throughout history have not lived in abject misery, in fact if you look at some starving crime-ridden Congolese village you will find...virtually zero depression and suicide and overall people will be happier than in the West where they live in relative luxury and comfort. Because life isnt about pleasure and joy over suffering and misery >needs to feed on human suffering to fuel its powers and existence okay that is the most retarded take ive heard. from your own perspective did he not create this existence and our world himself or usurp it from the true god? with what power? if he is omipotent why does he need our suffering? why did he not make the world actual hell or rework our minds to be true prisons of torture. Just because you feel it is doesnt mean everyone else does, i actually personally have an overall positive view of my life and future This faith sounds purely like your own attempt to rationalize your personal misery and depression What you need is not pleasure or a therapist and the pursuit of such will only feed your misery. You need to abandon any attempt of losing your depression and find a purpose, something to commit yourself to t. had depression myself
Owen Cox
but my absurdist side can answer to this - what fun is there in making sense? (to quote Discord from MLP - damn, i wish i had his powers, or Q from star trek - then i would never be bored with my vivid imagination)
