Why is eugenics bad again?

>Why is X bad again?
Stop this meme, morals aren't real.

Normies think its literally Hitler and they would be right. Read Galton and you know that eugenics was always meant to be persued with an absolute devotion. I find it funny that Any Forums cucks are shilling eugenics so much when they won't be the ones benefitting from it at all

selecting people bad m'kay?
now pay your fucking taxes and bow to the bioleninist dysgenic masses

I take great pleasure in the fact that people like you are bound to post crap like this on 4chin. I mean imagine saying your drivel to other human beings. They would probably put bear spray on you lol

>inheritance of desired genes and their outcomes is uncontrollable
I wonder how dogs came to be

Eugenics gets a bad name for one reason. People who are dysgenic use certain cherry picked characteristics to market themselves as superior when they're not. They piggyback on artificial clusters

We're talking humans though? And you fucks have nothing to show for except for misery

>I find it funny that Any Forums cucks are shilling eugenics so much when they won't be the ones benefitting [sic] from it at all
Retards always say this as if nobody on the planet could actually benefit from it. Somehow, literally everyone stands to lose from a eugenic programme, except for all the smart people, who all think like you do of course, and oppose it.
Except basic critical thinking shows the exact opposite. We're now degrading as a species because retards breed like mad and outnumber people with a brain. We have genetic diseases we could quite easily remove from our species by applying simple tests, some of which we already do, and telling potential parents not to have children with each other because of the high probability they're going to have a child who will struggle very much with basic life if they're so selfish as to insist on having children anyway. The latter costs almost nothing relative to the benefit, and has almost no risks.
As for the argument "people who support eugenics could only be stupid (not like me)" this is only a product of culture. Pre WW2 the majority of the educated population was in support of eugenics. WW2 had fuck all to do with eugenics in the end, despite what modern US education seems to encourage its students to think, so in reality your perception is really just due to cultural association.
We could implement eugenics to remove genetic diseases tomorrow with literally no risk except for eardrums bursting from the screeching of reddit and twitter users who parrot this braindead argument.

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>Retards always say this as if nobody on the planet could actually benefit from it
You talk in hyptheticals like most eugenicists do, but if you could actually improve the human stock like you say you can, then you are remarkably bad at it
>Somehow, literally everyone stands to lose from a eugenic programme, except for all the smart people, who all think like you do of course, and oppose it
Smart people? You realize that eugenics has been nothing but a war on the weak for the last 100 years do you?
>We're now degrading as a species because retards breed like mad and outnumber people with a brain
Retarded talking point that fuckers like you like to repeat and all seems to stem from your own conceits that the "smart" have some inherent worth to life that others have not. Funny how these supposed geniuses always correspond to the wealthiest tier of people around.
> We have genetic diseases we could quite easily remove from our species by applying simple tests, some of which we already do, and telling potential parents not to have children with each other because of the high probability they're going to have a child who will struggle very much with basic life if they're so selfish as to insist on having children anyway. The latter costs almost nothing relative to the benefit, and has almost no risks
The only disease as such that can be attributed to genes is down syndrome. That's all you cranks have going for your cause. But it won't stop there. Soon we have your ilk claiming there is a gay gene or a gene that is responsible for criminal behaviour. Your light eugenics is nothing but a dream.
>As for the argument "people who support eugenics could only be stupid (not like me)" this is only a product of culture
Mate you are a foot soldier at best. Your claim that the "stupid" support eugenics is a fantasy at best and a lie at worst. Eugenic policies are designed by the powerful for the powerful.

it never was

Because it'd involve sterilization of anyone that isn't east-asian.
And that'd upset the chuds to the point of riots and civil unrest.

Fairly low iq reasoning to think there aren't any far reaching implications with this tech, even lower iq to think that humans won't take these technologies to their worst extremes.

>Pre WW2 the majority of the educated population was in support of eugenics
Ofcourse they did, because they weren't the one's suffering from it. They still ain't.
>WW2 had fuck all to do with eugenics in the end, despite what modern US education seems to encourage its students to think, so in reality your perception is really just due to cultural association
You believe there haven't been eugenics boards in the UK and US, before WW2. How arrogant of you to pinpoint the worst of eugenics attrocities on Nazi Germany when the british and american branch of your religion has had a lot of time terrorize the poor before the fascist scum could work on their magic.
>We could implement eugenics to remove genetic diseases tomorrow with literally no risk except for eardrums bursting from the screeching of reddit and twitter users who parrot this braindead argument
Touch grass friend and actually realize what it would mean to implement these policies on the people? Nobody would agree to such a thing. The amount of biological data you would need to collect in order to discriminate and direct who could breed and not is a nightmarish thought. Well, that's what Galton had in mind with biometrics anyway.
I get it though. You hate seeing brown people having 5 screaming children in the bus. It's annoying to say the least

Imagine if someone told you they were better than you just because of their genes, and there was nothing you could ever do to change this.

It'd feel really bad! It would hurt your feelings a lot.

Or, imagine you met a pretty girl, and you wanted to talk to her or take her on a date but you weren't allowed to do so because your genes weren't good enough to match with hers.

It would be very hurtful.

That is why eugenics is bad, I hope you can understand!

Eugenics is more than this predatory sentiment all we humans have. It is to actively enacty policies for this sentiment. Imagine a state policy that would order people to bully the smalles or most short sighted kid in class. That a way to arrange the world. Are you for real?

It was only bad to people who would be negatively effected by it, so your fat redditors that have room temp iq and or the wrong skin color.

The purpose is to ensure survival under all conditions not just the ones you can see. You have no idea what removing the diseases from the genepool will do to our ability to work around these conditions. You only see the utopia you think is possible when that obstacle is not at play for a greater number of humans. Shortsighted and foolish.

but don't we already do that in almost all instances of human life? Yes, changing our genes would have unknowable consequences. Modifying our environment also has unknowable consequences. Changing our institutions have unknowable consequences. Changing our cultura has unknowable consequences. Changing anything may go very wrong, but we still do it anyway.

Right, velocity of change matters as well. So perhaps a discussion in what's important to us that we must venture into the unknown and what can be left on the backburner for a minute so we can still retrieve readable results is in order, no? If we do everything all at once, how can you say with any certainty that your change is due to a shift in x and not the billion of other variables that are in motion at the same time? What the fuck are we learning in this environment?

I think people who are genetically predisposed to watching anime should be castrated or euthanized

Sorry OP, you don't have Poopnshidd69 gene. It's mandatory you go to a hospital and get your balls chopped off or face the death penalty.

Already a natural process why add violence to something that's already happening on its own? Has an anime watcher bested you at life?

>because of your feelings
any real answers?

>eugenics is when feeling hurt incel
/sci/

I'd be ok with that if the person castrating and euthanizing me was a hot japanese girl cosplaying as an anime girl.

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so eugenics isn't something inherently bad, just something we have to tread very carefully. Also, it's important to have lots of research on the subject instead of banning everything under the label of evil nazi sci.

Your problem is you're expecting a level of nuance from a population incapable of reaching understanding between the same man in the sky larp due to different geographically specific interpretation origins. You're delusional is the problem. At best eugenics is available to people with the resources of telling the general population to fuck off. That's a very short list.

>all seems to stem from your own conceits that the "smart" have some inherent worth to life that others have not.
Yes, being smart is inherently valuable. We breed animals for desirable traits. Being smart is a desirable trait, and there is a value in propagating it over being stupid. This is not to say "kill the poor."
>Funny how these supposed geniuses always correspond to the wealthiest tier of people around.
Intelligence correlates with wealth but is not equivalent to it. This is irrelevant.
>The only disease as such that can be attributed to genes is down syndrome.
Objectively wrong, and a good indication you shouldn't be giving an opinion. There are countless genetic disorders, this is just an argument from pure ignorance.
I did not claim there are no far reaching implications. My claim is that people who dismiss it outright as a concept because it immediately has to be bad if we acknowledge there are some traits humans should have more of and some we should have less of are wrong.
Should we just stick our heads in the sand and go "oh well, genes do exist and significantly impact our lives, but let's not use that to our advantage." There are workable solutions.
>You believe there haven't been eugenics boards in the UK and US, before WW2
No, I'm well aware, hence the claim "WW2 had fuck all to do with eugenics" like many falsely believe. Learn to read.
>The amount of biological data you would need to collect in order to discriminate and direct who could breed and not is a nightmarish thought.
No it isn't. We already screen for several diseases, for example.
It's also inhuman to pass on genetic disorders to your children because parents are so selfish they put their "right" to force a child into the world before considering whether that would be a good idea or not. If a couple gets told they should not reproduce because they're likely to have a child with e.g. cystic fibrosis, it is morally repulsive to do it anyway.

>eugenics is bad because it would hurt your feelings
>>>/reddit/

why do you hate capitalism you socialist faggot?

in a free market of natural selection all organisms are allowed to compete

if the midget can find a mate then its by definition fit to breed

imagine if a billion years ago the first fish that developed an air sac for buoyancy, and everyone else was like "holy shit what is that ugly protrusion let's band together and keep it from breeding" you'd all be underwater and without lungs right now

Let's be honest, you'd be among the first 2% they'd get rid off

>Its far superior to design babies and get the outcome you want rather than hope you get what you wan
This is also eugenic tho.

right wing eugenics: you must past iq test to breed
left wing eugenics: i will only mate with chad
Any Forums eugenics: anyone who passes iq test will be assigned mating partner

By definition no
Eugenics is picking who should breed based off of either desirable or undesirable traits.
Designer babies is choosing which traits will be expressed regardless of what the parents traits would be inclined to pass on.
Genes are all just which proteins are produced and that determines the traits. Choosing whats expressed is far different than saying who can or cant breed based off of what might be inherited.
Eugenics is also dumb because what society deems valuable changes and is very subjective based off the culture at the time

The goal of eugenics itself isn't bad per se. It is bad in the sense that a lot of people have used/use it to justify inhumane acts like forced sterilisation and genocide against people they don't like since what constitutes 'good genes' is completely based on the arbiters opinion. It is a lot like communism/nationalism/religion in this regard. Eugenics would be okay if it was completely voluntary and involved things like filtering for genetic diseases in fertilised in vitro eggs and stuff. Which coincidentally is what we are doing now but nobody calls it eugenics because of the bad rep it has.

the average person is actually a net drain on the economy. we are a species driven almost purely forward by the upper percentiles of our population, and within that, the statistical outliers who are then themselves disproportionately productive.
It is unironically unethical to NOT be practicing eugenics in 2022. Currently, the average person struggles with many aspects of modern life, which indicates that for the average human, life is simply becoming too complex for them and is reflected in recent voting patterns and societal developments. Eugenics, although not perfect, could be directed well enough broadly at traits that would fix these problems. It is very, very very low hanging fruit.

>it is 2022
>anatomically, we are identical to cro magnon who couldnt build shelters
we have failed.

>the average wage cuck has broken under the weight of all the resources of floating and sitting at the top with eugenics we can increase the cucks productivity by addressing resiliency
thanks satan

>didn't happen, they invented it
based user

>49 replies
>not a single one could explain what's the issue with eugenics