- have resentment and envy towards rich people, successful people, people's private properties - recognizes private property - doesn't want to steal people's properties - Doesn't veneer dregs and criminals as deities - Doesn't think the reality is subjective - Isn't identitarian - Doesn't want to steal people's guns - Isn't in favor of equality of results - Doesn't confuse the essence with the manifestation of the essence by presuming that rights are appliable to the manifestation of the essence and not the essence (e.g identitarian laws that treat groups of people differently as if they are ontologically different and as if laws aren't appliable equally to them due the fact they are humans)
I want names of leftist ideologies that fit into these criteria
That's just milktoast rightisim now. Woke atheists are secular protestants who evangelise gayness around the planet instead of the bible
Grayson Scott
What do you mean by "That's just milktoast rightism now"?
Benjamin Bell
Exactly what I just said. What you're describing is where center right and pre far right people are now. Rejection of blanket equal outcomes makes you right-wing in the west.
Levi Sanchez
Yeah I'm a lefty I'll answer. I'll take them one by one >- have resentment and envy towards rich people, successful people, people's private properties >- recognizes private property >- doesn't want to steal people's properties We recognize private property ownership. That's complete rightwing bullshit. We want everyone to own property, not just the rich. We want 100% home ownership rate. We don't recognize the right to own big businesses privately. Or entire industries. Or giant asset management firms like Blackrock. Those are rightwing things. Those can't exist in our eyes >- Doesn't veneer dregs and criminals as deities We don't worship criminals but your system is unjust. Your property laws are unjust. They amount to the govt robbing the poor and redistributing their resources, property, homes to the rich. So we don't see criminals as the criminals. We see your capitalist rightwing government as criminal. The people who are stealing are just trying to survive and life. It's not their fault you oppress them >- Doesn't think the reality is subjective IDK even? I think it probably is. Not sure why you'd think differently >- Isn't identitarian We're not? We're against IDpolitics. We're the side against that. We believe in class politics. Identity politics are just used to control people >- Doesn't want to steal people's guns Some people don't want gun control but most of us want you to be disarmed because you're trying to take over the govt and rob us of our right to vote, subject us to military christian theocracy. It's about disarming you. It's about the threat you possess to us >- Isn't in favor of equality of results This is more of a rightwing meme. A rightwing strawman >- Doesn't confuse the essence with the manifestation of the essence by presuming that rights are appliable to the manifestation of the essence and not the essence This just sounds like schizo ranting I have no clue what you're saying and not gonna try to understand
Julian Ross
What is pre far right? Is it the middle between absolute center and far right? "We recognize private property ownership. That's complete rightwing bullshit." According my impression about leftists, they have crab mentality. "We want 100% home ownership rate. We don't recognize the right to own big businesses privately. Or entire industries. Or giant asset management firms like Blackrock. Those are rightwing things. Those can't exist in our eyes" So it is against monopoly isn't it? "We don't worship criminals but your system is unjust. Your property laws are unjust. They amount to the govt robbing the poor and redistributing their resources, property, homes to the rich. So we don't see criminals as the criminals. We see your capitalist rightwing government as criminal. The people who are stealing are just trying to survive and life. It's not their fault you" Sounds reasonable. Tax is stealing. Yes, some people steal to survive and poverty predisposes criminality, but it is not something to endorse "IDK even? I think it probably is. Not sure why you'd think differently" Subjective reality basically means it just exists within people's heads, objective reality is a reality that is external to people and everyone participates in it. That's it, far or less. "We're not? We're against IDpolitics. We're the side against that. We believe in class politics. Identity politics are just used to control people" What kind of leftist are you? "This is more of a rightwing meme. A rightwing strawman" Redistribution of wealth, for example "This just sounds like schizo ranting I have no clue what you're saying and not gonna try to understand" This is metaphysics.
Xavier Murphy
Yeah dude I don't even know what you're saying half the time here. Seems you did a common thing dumb and annoying rightwingers do which is try to deliberately twist another person's words and then pretend you "owned the libs" or something. Fucking IDK even
It's pretty simple. The left is about class warfare. We're advocates for the interests of the lower and middle classes, as opposed to the upper classes. The right advocates for the interests of the upper classes
We want everyone to own their own home, but we don't recognize the right of one person to own a huge business and make the insane profits off of them we see in our society. Large businesses need to be nationalized. Profit incentive removed from them. Run for the public good
Like healthcare for example. The healthcare industry should be nationalized and run for the public good rather than profit. This is what democrats are talking about everytime they talk about "universal healthcare"
Brandon Ward
You told the left is about class warfare. Does the concept of "class warfare" presumes that the success of one class means the loss of another class and the loss of one class means the success of another class?
Why don't recognize a person owning a huge business and make insane profits off of them?
Zachary James
In our view, when a person owns a business, it's the government stealing the business from the employees and giving ownership of it to a single person, or board, or shareholders. Either way, they're stealing it from the workers (note, working class) and giving it to the rich (note, upper class)
Life is class war. The upper classes are always going to try to oppress and exploit the lower classes. The upper classes are always going to try to enslave them
Grayson Lopez
And they ONLY way to prevent it on any reasonable timescale is when the elites are tied to a nation who are willing to depose them for class betrayal. But you faggots call that nationalism and have been convinced (by the same elites) that nationalism is the only thing that produces elites.
Retarded tool.
Henry Rodriguez
The leftism where you kill all communists is what you want, OP.
Caleb Garcia
For me, when the workers work for their bosses, the bosses are exploring the worker's job and the workers are exploring the means of production of their bosses. For me, it is a relationship of mutual benefit, otherwise, the workers would have to search for raw material in nature and or use their own means of production to get material from nature. The problem would exists when the conditions of labor are degrading to the human nature. For me, labor is pretty much a contingency of life.
Evan Gutierrez
Based. My recommendation is to stop thinking in left and right, it is a trap.
Nationalism vs pluralism/globalism is a far more productive delineation.
Zachary Ortiz
Christianity
Nathan Johnson
You are not a leftist. You are some fringe guy who has his own ideas about leftism. Maybe you should re-evaluate what you believe in.
Aaron Thomas
I don't think that when workers are working for their bosses their bosses are stealing from the workers, because the bosses are entitled to their means of production and own the means of production being their property owners, and as such, they deserve all the goods that are derived from the usage of their means of production. Naturally, the workers will be disposed to work for the bosses when they see an advantage in that, and they generally see an advantage in that when they will receive a reward for their work, either through money or by being conceded a part of what they produced through the means of production of the bosses they used.
Colton Cooper
Yeah? Well good for you. That's not how it is in reality. In reality you're just a sociopath piece of shit. And no you can't have "leftism" without class war and ergo hostility toward the upper classes
Ryan Murphy
Yeah cool story dude, you're a rightwinger and want employees to be exploited and you want to tell people that "slavery is freedom". Typical rightwinger stuff. That's the whole rightwing is rich pieces of shit telling poor people that their slavery is their freedom. And about half of those poor people are morons so they believe them
Liam Thompson
You people really are sick and retarded. No man, nationalism isn't going to help you. When nationalism gets involved that's how they get you to vote against your own economic interests
Ethan Nelson
Yes. It is pretty much a way of reducing ideas to tribalism and a visual scheme of left and right. It is also pretty much schizophrenia-inducing sometimes The meme in the image attached shows the problems with that thing
>we want Who the fuck are you to talk for the entire left? Your talking points are riddled with internal inconsistencies and stupidity.
Brandon Cruz
>My recommendation is to stop thinking in left and right, it is a trap. Exactly so.
Carter Long
No. I think work is a contingency of life. Probably for you, the ideal is that people shouldn't work but we don't live in an ideal world. When a person is giving a job opportunity to a person, let's say a poor person, that person is helping the poor person to raise up in life, otherwise that person will have to undergo the same efforts that people's antecessors had to undergo, that is to collect raw material in nature when the means of production already exist so that people may not have to undergo that effort. Slavery is when people are forced to work. In the case of work, this is not slavery because the person that works subjects himself to the work by his will due to the contingencies of life. Consider it is the contingencies of life that compel people to work.
By the way, what would be the ideal situation for you? Is it that people shouldn't work?
William Myers
>tired buzzwords instead of arguments.
You self identified lefties are the biggest useful idiots on the damn planet and the competition is fierce.
Let me clue you in:
Who's economic interest? The individual or the class? Is the class a mobile thing? If a lower class person were to act in his "economic interest" would he not rise in economic class and then become an oppressor?
You have the cognitive capacity of a child if you cannot take your statements and extend their logical foundations to search for contradictions.
Bentley Anderson
You're stupid and low IQ. Left wing politics isn't for you. You stay on the right where the simpletons are.
