Can someone explain to me the Ukraine-Rusia conflict?

If I search something on the internet it will likely be propaganda.
I don't believe that just one day, the Russians decided to be evil and attacked poor Ukraine that is all good and perfect.

What is the long story?

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Ukraine flew way too close to the sun (the west) and Russia doesn't want the west on its border is the main thing here.
Pre 2014 Ukraine was basically pro Russian state but when maidan happened they drifted to the west, so Russia responded by seizing Crimea without seeing any resistance from a fractured Ukrainian government. In the east part of Ukraine there's a lot of pro Russian sentiment and Crimea was probably the most pro Russian so the populace there was pretty happy and optimistic and a vast majority of Russians supported it and still do. After Crimea was seized some guys involved in that went to the Donbas region and recruited some soldiers or veterans and seized some government buildings trying to replicate how Russia took Crimea.
They thought Russia would back them up after they saw them take the buildings, they were wrong. And they thought Ukraine wouldn't resist as they hadn't in Crimea and they were wrong about that as well. After a long siege at Sloviansk which resulted in the rebels pulling it pretty quickly went to an all out war where Russia eventually realized they needed to send support and after a while it went to what we had seen for the past 7 years or so where it was just static lines and no movement.
The Russian justification is something like "Ukraine has been bombing Donetsk and killing Russian civilians and they are Nazi western puppets" at least from what i've seen. Personally I think that Putin realized that if he was going to do something in Ukraine it had to be done at that moment. Perhaps he was waiting for some "sense" to return to the Ukrainian populace but in turn they voted in the most pro western presidents they have ever had. And also you have to realize that in 2014 the Ukrainian military crumpled on impact with anything so its logical to assume that he thought a very quick war could be fought and the Ukrainians would basically give up as they are "brothers" or whatever. I suggest you check out the Vice series they did in 2014

Putin got high on a mix of Dugin-style Neo-Eurasianism and Brezhnev doctrine and is unwilling to accept loss of superpower status.
US and NATO eagerly pushed their geopolitical interests (which somewhat align with proclivities of Western and Central Ukraine) and miscalculated Putin’s state of mind.
Combine this and you get the current shitshow.

Russia absolutely is a great power, just not a superpower

>Dugin style eurasianism
Conplete bullshit. The only reason Russia is now in cahoots with China is because the US constantly antagonizes both of them, as well as Syria and Iran. They would have no reason to turn to chinks if the US and EU were actually friendly to Russia it has nothing to do with le eurasianism

That’s the point. The US doesn’t treat Russia like a great power. If it did, it wouldn’t help support coups all around its borders.

>Russia and the West hate eachother.
>Ukraine wants to join the West
>noyouwont.jpg
Its really that simple.

That dude is a spinless nerd cringe faggot.
>its the west's fault for you getting invaded, even though you are fighting and do all the work to gain your independence.

no because that would be off topic on his

It's not a great power, a faulty regional power at best

If you have the largest nuclear arsenal, one of the largest armies, the largest territory and you can project power all the way to Syria and Africa you are a great power. You're just gay and not living in reality

>be Canadian
>print money out of thin air
>use it to pay citizens to make you things using labor and resources
>give all the things to Ukraine
>own citizens can't even afford gas
>repeat ad inifitum

It goes back further, but Khrushchev stole Crimea off of the Russian SFSR for bureaucratic convenience and because he was a Ukrainian that played favouritism for Ukraine.

He needed approval of the legislatures of the RSFSR and USSR to transfer Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. Which he did not have.

After the breakup of the USSR, an agreement Ukraine made with Russia was that Crimea would be allowed to determine it's own fate.

Ukraine has not honoured this.
Notable also is how Ukraine ignores it's own constitution if it's convenient. Such as the law prohibiting foreign troops on it's soil.

When Ukraine got along with Russia, they allowed Russian bases in Crimea, territory that supposedy belongs to Ukraine.
Again, no foreign troops allowed, but Ukraine trained with NATO and such in recent years on Ukrainian soil with the now anti-Russian government in charge.

Other than these posts I would like to elaborate on Crimea. Crimea is a big part of the reason for this invasion. The difference between Crimea, and the meme statelets in the Near Abroad that Russia set up as puppets (Abkhazia, Transnistria, DNR, etc), is that Russia regards Crimea as Russian territory. Not an autonomous Republic, not a sister country, but literal Russian land, part of the Russian Federation. After the events of 2014 the annexation of Crimea was formalised; whereas international law dictates that Crimea is occupied Ukrainian territory, Russian law says it is as Russian as Novosibirsk or St Petersburg.

If Ukraine joined NATO, the first thing they'd do is try to recover Crimea. They could actually ask NATO for help. It would be an internal Ukrainian matter in the eyes of all NATO nations, simply Ukraine would be restoring order in its own country. NATO legislation allows for this, in fact the USA did it after 9/11: Americans asked NATO allies for help to patrol American skies. It was called Operation Eagle Assist, you can look it up.

However as we have established before, Crimea is seen by Russia as bona fide part of Russia. In other words, a Ukrainian operation to recover Crimea, backed by NATO, would be considered by Russia a full-scale NATO invasion of Russia. Which would lead to nuclear war, inevitably. Just like a Russian invasion of Florida would.

When the USA and NATO leaders told the world that Ukraine was more than welcome in the alliance, the Russian government decided to act. All they wanted, all they had been asking for, was a binding agreement with NATO that would leave Ukraine out. Instead, USA+NATO leaders said the gates were open. Russia knew that this process would end in nuclear annihilation of the Northern hemisphere. So they attacked first, before that point of no return.

Russia is the aggressor of course, and Ukraine did nothing to deserve an invasion, but it's not mindless imperialism.

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And still an economy smaller than Italy

Still not a single reply pointing out that Ukraine found big gas deposits in Crimea and threatened to cut Russia from the European gas market. Everyone spouting about Russian clay or NATO encrouchments are blind to that this is a resource war, an actual war and not like muh iraq

Mostly this, though with the failure to take Kiev or at least threaten it enough to scare off the current government the less important war-justification narratives have been boiled off and the new focuses of the Russian military reveal the true objectives - namely securing the separatist regions in Eastern and Southern Ukraine and attempt to seize the entire Ukrainian coast.

These are most critical to control the Ukrainian natural gas reserves, an increasingly Western leaning Ukraine could serve as an alternate fuel source for Europe which would completely hobble any Russian geopolitical leverage on the continent. They would be forced to play nice and accept their global position as a resource rich but underdeveloped second tier state and has-been power which flies completely in the face of the hardliner view of Russian civilization as special and destined for greatness, and to make the pride sting even more it would be the Western bloc fresh off it's success in the Cold War relegating Russia to that position.

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>Constantly trying to draw countries that left the SU back into sphere of influence through bullying
>Invades neighbours
>Wonders why others ''''antagonize'''' them

it speaks to how stuck in the 18th century imperialist mindset the government is that they view their neighbors joining a voluntary mutual defense compact as a threat

There is always the option of laying down arms and giving it up to the west.
Surely the option of cooperation is open and more beneficial than isolating yourself, what are they really fighting for? Their own power and control? It's too late to recover what was lost, wars have no place in this part of the world anymore, the borders have solidified, at least until a major food crisis and general societal collapse.