History forums debate which one was better endlessly

>That time Emperor Justinian sent two undercover secret agents to China disguised as monks so they could discover and steal Chinese silkworms, which were a heavily guarded secret by the Chinese, bring them back to Rome so Rome could make their own silk

>civilized "people"
I'd go with Goths and Mongols, thx

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Gigabased

Between them, they created the foundation of all philosophy and civilization.

It's a tv-series, I recommend it I liked it a lot, but fighting scenes are kinda crappy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms_(TV_series)

Thanks user.

Roman advantages:
>military tech (segmentata, torsion engines, field artillery, heavy infantry, cataphracts, field medicine, field engineering)
>infrastructure and architecture (larger road network, industry, longer acqueducts, larger public projects, more extant monuments, more complex architecture)
>artwork (look at the statues and frescoes)
Chinese advantages
>metallurgy (top notch steel production and massive statal owned forges)

Even
>agriculture (both had their own kind of advanced tools and techniques)

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Han - no jews.

>Can you give a well reasoned unbiased argument for which one was better?
Yes, I can. Rome was clearly better. The Han empire was full of fucking chinks.

and it also looks kind of like a penis which is based

Additionally Rome inherited most of its mechanical technology, medicine and shipbuilding techniques from the Greeks which blew the Chinese out of the water
>differential gears, automata, "hydraulic telegraph", industrial mills, pumps
>wide array of surgical instruments, silver staples to prevent infection
>polyremes, multi masted ships, bilge pumps, naval odometres, lateen sails, paddle wheels

So once you lift the mystic veil of orientalism, you see that China while having some advantages just didn't hold a candle to Rome and Greece overall

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>stole the Chinaman's silkworms
>the chinese thought shards of coloured glass coming from the roman empire were the best thing in the world and had to be of divine origin
>took the chinese centuries before realizing the Parthians and Sassanids were scaming them
take a guess.

I'd love to see them battle each other but Roman legionaries were much better trained and had better equipment than any other civilisation at that time.

>Between them, they created the foundation of all philosophy and civilization.

Greeks aren't Romans.

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That goes without mentioning many other things such as Rome being several orders of magnitude larger than the Chinese capital, the Roman population being larger, Republican Roman armies being larger as in % of the population conscripted than even fighting states-era Chinese armies, Roman (and Greek as well) industrial production being able to built hundreds of ships within one year...

Overall China's fame is 50% deserved and 50% myths amplyfying their accomplishments (which certainly it did not lack and were still many) to an absurd degree to build a mystical image of a nebulous far-flung civilization whose super-duper tech can not even be described in words.

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didn't get lost, the Parthians just told him the journey was a death sentence so he asked around about Rome and went home kek.

Rome
>BTFOed barbarians
>collapsed on it's own
>yet it's culture and people still survive
>it's basically the blueprint most modern western civilizations are based on
>the area is still a stable nation that people want to emigrate to
Han
>BTFOed by Manchu mongols
>300 years of slavery
>followed up by the century of humiliation
>sodomized by japs during WW2
>later razed to the ground by the CCP
>original ethnicity enslaved, castrated and raped to extinction
>what little survives of their ancestral culture had to flee to Taiwan
>the whole area is a nightmare hellscape flooded by starving people begging god for a chance to flee

Rome wins
it isn't even a contest
not even Egypt had it as bad as the chinks (and that's probably becos Rome conquered it unlike China which was conquered by barbarians

>Manchu, Mongols
Didn't exist during Han dynasty you dumbass. The Han successfully routed the Huns/Proto Turk, who migrated West and went on to conquer half of Europe.

the one rome and others took their inspiration to conquer from

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