With literature like picrel, why is this not enough for men to lead a moral and fulfilling life? Why must they still seek phantoms beyond comprehension to somehow feel “saved.” I’m looking at you Abrahamic’s.
With literature like picrel, why is this not enough for men to lead a moral and fulfilling life...
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Do you think religions prevent things like this?
Now that I know it's real, I need to read this.
because even if you started to live a moral and fulfilling life today, you cannot undo what you have already done, as you cannot change the past.
Nothing undoes the past. The past too is a phantom; all you have is now.
I do not emulate or draw inspiration from slaves.
But you are a slave. You’re a slave to death.
bumping for politically motivated philosophical discourse
Qrd
Epictitus basically makes the argument that we don’t have any control over external forces and that all we really can exert control over is our demeanor. A transmutation of negative causes into positive reactions of sorts.
then you cannot have a fulfilling and moral life either. It is essential for a moral and fulfilling moral life to relate to your past and care for your future. You could not even get the dispositions required for virtue if there was no past. Do your future self a favour: stop being edgy for the sake of feeling like an edgelord.
Likely has to do with the social need (for normies) to seek out people like them and with similar beliefs. Ignoring whether God does or does not exist, it makes sense that normies would seek out people who share their religion and faith, as it often grants comfort in the face of death and oblivion thereafter.
>good ol’ edgelord rebuttal ought to set him straight
Why is acknowledging that the past is not necessary for simply being a moral and just person today?
It's essentially just a list of the basic tenants and teachings of Stoicism as a philosophy. The book's title literally translates to "manual" as well.
specifically why is that an “edgelord” take?
Did you read the book, OP?
Epictetus directly tells you to learn from your mistakes which require you have the adequate memories of your past to learn from.
I have read it and I am aware of the importance of self reflection in regards to past events. I assumed the german flag was referring to forgiveness when they mentioned not being able to get undo the past.
>baby’s first pseud
nobody tell him
referring specifically to their initial comment here
Its not even 50 pages and contains timeless wisdom. EVERYONE should read it.
Ah, I see. That Kraut definitely has a nihilist and defeatist outlook, so not worth entertaining.
Anyone arguing against self-improvement or otherwise strengthening your own morality is likely a shill or faggot.
Also, just realized that the OP pic features Marcus Aurelius' bust instead of Epictetus' bust, lol.
1) for one thing, you cannot be a virtous person, if you have no past. Doing the right thing once is not sufficient for being virtous. Even doing the right thing many times may not be sufficient for that, because the virtuous person acts virtously without great effort or overcoming of weakness of will: the virtuous person acts out of a disposition, which he has formed in the past. (Look for example into Aristotle's EN II-3 1005a15-1005b20 for that)
2) not just your dispositions for the right kind of actions are forming towards a future end and depending on your past and present, but also many moral emotions have a temporal structure. For example you cannot be proud about having done the right thing in the past.
3) When you make a moral decision you affect your future self, and an action may be reasonably said to be immoral if it hurts your future self, e.g. developing a vice such as alcoholism or becoming the dispositions of a thoughtless but edgy sophist who denies the existence of past and future.
4) A life without (sweet) memories is not a fulfilling life, it may not even be a life of a person, i.e. a moral agent at all: our stories are significant, because not only how they dispose us to act and react to present or future situations, but also how we see and realize ourselves as persons and moral agents. You cannot live a moral and fulfilling life without realizing that you are a moral agent, and also you cannot live a moral and fulfilling life without realizing what kind of moral agent you are and what moral qualities you have.
5) it is obviously true that there is a past and a future. You cannot lead a moral and fulfilling life denying obvious truths like that you have failed to live a moral life in the past, just as you cannot live a moral and fulfilling life when you constantly claim that a man can become an attack helicopter by uttering the words "I hereby identify [myself] as an attack helicopter".
Answer my inquiry german flag. What is necessary about feeling “forgiven” by a divine arbiter of justice for past trespasses?
I've scorned that bald fuck and I'll dare him yet again
Millions of distractions around us. Though the Enchiridion taught us to discriminate what we consume and pay attention to. Moral disciple and integrity is hard to achieve, but worth it.