All this Manifesto says is that society needs to be run for the benefit of the people, rather than the rich

All this Manifesto says is that society needs to be run for the benefit of the people, rather than the rich.
It says the rich are trying to oppress the poor and working class and the workers need to rise up and advocate for their own rights.

It doesn't say "Abolish private property" like "you will own nothing". It's the complete opposite. It's about everyone having the right to own property, not just the rich. That is, indeed, what communism is

Capitalism is a shitty set of property laws that let rich people own everything.
Communism would be fixing those property laws so that everyone can own property, not just the rich

I see what your problem with it could possibly be except that you're all a part of a culture of brainwashing and lies, perpetrated by a mix government cold war agendas and wealthy capitalist agendas, into believing it's about some kind of imaginary "bad ebil satan" or something

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>the rich

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No man, it's not about jews one way or another

the National Socialist plan is better + no jews or troons

>it doesn’t say “Abolish private property”
Reminder this includes patents and ideas

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It advocates for the abolition of "bourgeois property" which then gets taken out of context to make it seem like it it's about "you will own nothing" or something, you know? Crazy. Because it's written in German and the translation vascilates between saying "bourgeois property" and "private property" but makes it rather explicitly clear that "private property" = 'bourgeois property"

No that's not true. That's out of context. You pull it out of context to make it seem like it means the exact opposite of what it says in context.

In context it says that the system of property that allows rich people to own everything, rather than letting everyone own their own property, needs to be abolished

The original text is in German so it's translated, first of all, and the full context is about abolishing the system that lets rich people own all of the poor people's property AKA what we now know as capitalism

>All this Manifesto says is that society needs to be run for the benefit of the people, rather than the rich.
sounds great on paper until add in actual humans & then UH OH ain't looking so cool now

Just frustrating the way rightwingers all post that quote and it's a deliberate lie on their part

Oh they got the transition wrong? Your better let them know

>everyone is a right winger
Says the Any Forums user

Name one communist society that did not have to compromise its centrally planned economy to survive
>challenge, no mentioning CIAniggers

It says "we don't want to abolish private property" but actually we want to abolish private property since the only "real" private property is owned by the "bourgeois" (Upper AND middle class). He also says "we're not changing private property into social property, we're just changing the social character of the property". You're being unbelievably disingenuous, just like Marx.

I didn't say they got it wrong, I just said it's a translation. When you read the full quote in context it has a completely different meaning. It's about the abolition of "bourgeois property" that lets rich people own poor people's homes and businesses AKA systems like feudalism or capitalism

Face the wall...

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you should read his other book

Check out this right wing propaganda i found guys, which one you made this?

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That's all nice and good, but then a Stalin-like figure takes power and says that the regime is socialist now. Trade unions are outlawed, there is only 1 party, you have 0 say in how the country is run, the NKVD watches you 24/7, and if you disagree with anything the government says, they'll rape your family in front of you and ship you off to the rape-gulag where you'll build some road in the winter until you die of exposure and your corpse is shoved into the very same road's foundation.

Lol wut? You just made up a bunch of retarded fake quotes?

Chapter 2 of The Communist Manifesto largely deals with the property laws, which exist in many different ways and in many different forms (AKA feudalism, capitalism or anything else) need to be abolished. This is called, variously in the manifesto, "bourgeois property" or "private property". It's written 150 years ago and in German, understand

Stalin was good. I have no idea why anyone would ever complain about Stalin

The people only own everything in theory under communism. In practuce, the government owns everything and the people own nothing. Additionally, one of the main principles of communism is "from each according to his ability to each according to his need," but the values of needs and abilities can only be fairly determined by the free market. It is, and always will be, a pipe dream.

Yeah, there you go. Totally discredited yourself.

I didn't say it was translated wrong but you have a translation from 150 years ago. That doesn't mean it's wrong it just means you need to understand that as you read it and look at the context of the quote, which is about abolishing laws that let rich people own everything rather than the proletariat owning their own property.

The manifesto is about poor and working class people being able to own property, rather than just the rich

What's bad about Stalin? You don't even know anything about him. Your head is just full of US state department propaganda

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>The murder of 30 million native ethnic Russians by their own government is good
This is why nobody will ever take you seriously

That's exactly what they would want you to say, stop wasting your time sympathizing with the and start fighting bac for the sake of yourself and those around you.

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I do, he was referring to property as intellectual like Kant and not land. Your just an idiot

>Fake Quote
>"When, therefore, capital is converted into common property, into the property of all members of society, personal property is not thereby transformed into social property. It is only the social character of the property that is changed."
Disingenuous, just like Marx.

There's no ethnic component to anyone who was murdered in the USSR and it wasn't 30 million people. It was 4 million people and they were all fascists trying to destroy the USSR and turn it into Nazi Germany, where the people would be slaves

Yeah that quote is about how everyone needs to own property. What are you illiterate?

Don't care, it's gay jew shit.

Here's the full context:

>The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.

>The theoretical conclusions of the Communists are in no way based on ideas or principles that have been invented, or discovered, by this or that would-be universal reformer.

>They merely express, in general terms, actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a historical movement going on under our very eyes. The abolition of existing property relations is not at all a distinctive feature of communism.

>All property relations in the past have continually been subject to historical change consequent upon the change in historical conditions.

>The French Revolution, for example, abolished feudal property in favour of bourgeois property.

>The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few.

>In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

>We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.

>Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.?

lol lmao. tankies are literal retards when it comes to actual history of the nations that were enslaved by the russians post ww1

The problem with society "being run" for the benefit of one group over another, is that the entities "running" society are always the rich, and those being "run" are not. Communism is a blueprint for end-game totalist capitalism, and if you can't recognize this then you are not qualified to initiate this discussion.

Part 2:
>Or do you mean the modern bourgeois private property?

>But does wage-labour create any property for the labourer? Not a bit. It creates capital, i.e., that kind of property which exploits wage-labour, and which cannot increase except upon condition of begetting a new supply of wage-labour for fresh exploitation. Property, in its present form, is based on the antagonism of capital and wage labour. Let us examine both sides of this antagonism.

>To be a capitalist, is to have not only a purely personal, but a social status in production. Capital is a collective product, and only by the united action of many members, nay, in the last resort, only by the united action of all members of society, can it be set in motion.

>Capital is therefore not only personal; it is a social power.

>When, therefore, capital is converted into common property, into the property of all members of society, personal property is not thereby transformed into social property. It is only the social character of the property that is changed. It loses its class character.

? I'm not the uneducated one here. The people on this board have zero education. Just read memes and US state department propaganda and billionaire Fox News MSM propaganda

He murdered his wife for one

communism doesn't reward hard work

>Oh ONLY 4 million? Well that might as well be zero!
You have no respect for human life, and your soul reeks of rot and sin. The only reason you support communism is because you lack any coherent form of morality or ethics, and your view of the world is detached from reality.

copium overload and assuming Any Forums as always. go back to lefty pol retard

It's all about getting people to own property. Communism is all about the idea that everyone should own property, not just the bourgeois. Rightwingers are either illiterate, or haven't read it, or brainwashed or deliberately lying. And an awful lot of the time it's the last one, deliberate lying

They were nazis. Not members of the nazi party specifically but exact same belief system

>everyone is wrong about marx but meeeeeeeeeee
Your on this board, clearly you have zero education

It's not copium it's just that your life is defined by capitalist propaganda from the Cold War on and everything you believe is just lies. Or you don't believe it yourself and you're just willfully complicit in spreading the lies

>stop noticing Jews, goy
>think about something else, goy

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it's bait.

Well yeah it's just a matter of if you know how to read or not. If you know how to read then you'll see that Marxism is about making a world where everyone owns property, not just the rich

Marxism, the ideology from which this book came, is based on the lie that all conflict thru out history is class conflict, in reality, class conflict is almost nonexistent in history.
Therefore, nothing good can come from this book or from the ideology which gave birth to it.

This is not about jews one way or the other. Marxism isn't about jews one way or the other. There are no racial or ethnic components to marxism. It's strictly a set of ideas about class struggle

They were illiterate uneducated farmers. How could they be nazis? This happened before the nazi party

Nah it's all class conflict. All of human society is class conflict. The poor vs the rich. That's the primary idea at the center of Marxism, even more than "property for everyone rather than just the rich" stuff

*All this Manifesto says is that society needs to be run for the benefit of the chosen people