Off Grid Living Thread

Or even, 15-20 years from now they make it almost impossible for anyone who isnt a corporation to own land. Punitive taxes for the environment, etc.

Yes, but in nature with a garden and possibly even a pool. Better than city pods.

For true independence you need 1000 people (and will still have basically no access to metal ressources/manufacturing except for what you can trade with the system).

With vertical hydroponic farming you can have x10 yields compared to normal farming. But at the scale of 10 people you will not be fully independent, just have a large percentage of own food production.

Umm.
No, they're not.
I have over 200 chickens.
Multiple neighbors raise black angus cattle.
I grew up with horses.

Please explain why you think animals are "hard to maintain".

I live next to woods that are full of deer so I rely on that for my red meat and it requires basically no maintenance. I do keep six chickens for eggs which are low maintenance and I have a catfish pond that I only need to make sure has enough oxygen in the water but all that requires is turning the pump on. I'm learning gardening now and so far it is way more work than what I do for animal protein.

Are you going to grow your own grains? What about meat and dairy production?

By "maintain" he means "convince them to fuck you"

Vertical hydroponics only works in massive industrial scales where energy and water consumption are virtually unlimited.
Post a successful small scale hydroponics setup that was more than a photo op.

was thinking the same about locating to spain/protugal
i like the mediterrinian weather and culture a lot
>someday

Vertical hydro is bullshit for in doors.
farmland is cheap right now

with a few right minded it will work great. it is not even expensiv!

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If the local population aren't animals, you don't really have to go totally off grid, you should have a job and contacts.

That being said, walkable towns and cities already do half the job for you.

In certain types of cities/towns, you can own a reasonably large land, farm it, own a few animals and at the same time be in touch with some civilization (stores/ markets/electrician/cars....)

Cutting down on expenses is really the benefit;

Expensive groceries must go first: meat, eggs, fruits and veggies are all things you can easily manage yourself and store for a long period, especially If you're alone and don't have to feed a lot of people.

Electricity expenses should go second; solar panels cut expenses to almost 0, that is in sunny countries at least. In all cases, you should always have batteries for cloudy days or winter.

Water expenses should go too, dig a well and filter It, I don't really think city water in any better than high end filtered one from some random well.

This is all assuming you have the money for It, the house+land alone will cost you considerably so try to chose a country/City with reasonable land prices and sparse, friendly population. After you get a system running and maintain a normal job, you'll be very well insulated from the world and possibly have a high standard of living due to the excess money.

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Skip to the 2:00 min mark.
Proof of concept.
Donkey steam engine - builder has it hooked up to a single cylinder engine and an alternator.
But can also be hooked up to a compound engine like a marine engine and a much larger generator.
Will run on anything that will burn, and water.
Bank of batteries in the house - use golf cart batteries.
Have to make sure you have the right circuitry so you do not overcharge the battery bank - that kills batteries fast - and you'll get about 10 years out of the batteries, so store a bunch of extras.
Back this up with redundant systems of wind and solar and you'll be fine.
Donkey engine can also power things like lathes, mills, pull heavy things like logs, etc...
Ground water has a lot of dissolved minerals, etc, in it that will shit up the inside of the boiler - so either use distilled/ionized or soft water like rainwater (which is also good for making leather).

and how do you make the solar panels, batteries?

well you need to get some stuff from the shop for sure. check what you can do cheaper and/or better the rest get from the outside.

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