What is so bad about socialism? Socialists believe that workers should receive the full product of their labor

>Xer believes that workers should receive the full product of their labor
Yes, abolish taxes.

Trips of truth

A machine isn't self-actualizing. It needs a wellspring of initial capital and production. The worker just operates it, which is a miniscule factor of the resultant output.

I think you fail to see that the average worker overestimates the value of their labor.
Just because it took you 3 hours to complete a task that takes another person 1 hours to do, does not mean that you should get compensated for 3 hours of labor.

>What is so bad about socialism? Socialists believe that they should receive the full product of your labor
ftfy

Then the worker should just get their own machine and sell their own product. Why can't they do that?

You are already free to start a socialist business if you want to. It won't be able to compete with capitalist businesses. Why is that?

Who builds the machine? Who mines the materials for the machine? How does one *get* someone elses labour, sounds like slavery to me son.

>paying an agreed sum to voluntary workers is slavery
what are you, 14?

paying for something is not getting it

>Who builds the machine? Who mines the materials for the machine?
People that were paid to do so. Stop deflecting and answer my question.

When you pay for something, you get it. It's called making a purchase. Maybe the language barrier is a problem here.

You didn't ask me a question.

If you are being genuine and really want to know, I'll answer in good faith. Here, watch this video by Ben Shapiro who answers a young socialist's question eloquently. It's the same as yours in principle.

youtube.com/watch?v=3xq-q6a9tCM

I'll stick in this thread if you have other questions.

Yes actually, i understood the term get as in requistion, it's what was used here in socialist times. Apologies for the confusion.

I did, you illiterate fuck
>Then the worker should just get their own machine and sell their own product. Why can't they do that?

Yes, I agree. McDonald’s employees should be paid in burgers and fries

You did not ask me that question, nor do i object to your proposition, now wipe the bacon grease of your chins fuckface.

It's all good Czechbro this is actually a great way to learn our language

>capital
we simply take it from boogies
>risk
can be hedged against it but being a collective
>leadership
leadership is labor

> Who builds the machine?
The engineer who designed it. They built it and they are rightfully paid more than the mindless drones who stick the pieces together under the engineer’s direction

Labor is only part of what determines value. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you’ll stop being a slave to your ideology… you’ll probably even make more money too

>You did not ask me that question
Illiterate fuck. Now answer the question. Why can't the worker just get their own machine and make their own product?

Not necessarily, since these words are so open to interpretation and i've seen leftists use the logic i laid out in my post.
>we should just get X....
First vector of your subversion.

>leadership is labor
And that is why your employer gets paid. You are getting a portion of profits because you are doing a portion of what is required to produce an output

Yes.

>Why can't the worker just get their own machine and make their own product?
Socialists don't want to answer this question because it exposes the fundamental flaw in their premises. The answer is, "Because they don't want to incur the risk of going bankrupt if the business flops and thereby incurring a shit ton of debt they have to pay off".

I love socialism, but only nationally

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>Labor is only part of what determines value.
The labor theory of value you're promping up is full of bullshit and I can prove it right now by spending all day making mud pies. Nobody will buy those. Or spending all day making holes in your backyard and filling them back up again.
The fact you're ignoring is, what determines value is the market, and *what people are willing to pay for*. Value is completely subjective. This is why one man's trash is another man's treasure. There are people willing to spend a lot of money buying really old junk retro cars. It's not the labor put into them that makes it valuable. It's the fact a person is willing to pay a ton of money for it that makes it valuable.

>What is so bad about socialism? Socialists believe

What's so bad about socialism is what they DO, not what they claim to believe. Lofty ideals are the tools they use to manipulate retards.